Posted by Mohamed Ghounem on December 31, 1997 at 03:48:09:
In Reply to: Re: Has Allah Removed the Curse of Babylon posted by zaphod on December 30, 1997 at 14:20:56:
Dear Brother Zaphod,
Thankyou for your response,
I will start where you do;
{Decision or curse the result is the same. Where has God said he would like us to reunite in one language again?}
Dear Zaphod, what is the story of Babylon?, it is simple, every one spoke one language, God "punished" them for disobeying.
"Give help, let us go down, and mingle there their pronunciation, so that a man doth not understand the pronunciation of his companion." Genesis 11:7
Is this punishent to be eternal brother Zaphod, according to Christianity, did't Jesus die for "everyone's" sins, why then do Christians speak different languages and not one common language like Muslims.
Isn't the curse of Babylon a punishment that "Christianity Jesus" can remove, or is it that only God can remove the Curse as was done with the arival of the Koran, the Final Testament.
You ask where does it say that God would like us to reunite in one language again?, it is all through the Bible Brother Zaphod, "The Lord our God is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him;{Daniel 9:9} You see, God loves. To keep us from understanding our companions eternally would be spiteful and unforgiving which God certainly isn't.
This is just one of the miracals of the Koran, from God, it has removed the centuries old Curse of Babylon for those who accept Truth: The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge; the ears of the wise seek it out. {Proverbs 18:15}. If you follow the Bible, it will lead you to the Koran as it has for millions, it is a free choice, it is there for those who seek it.
{Perhaps one could argue that as English is the internationally accepted language we should speak that, but somehow I think you would not agree!}
Many Muslims speak English too, atleast the ones I know, Engish though is a monitary language, it's accociations are money, not religion as the sematic languages (Arabic). What does the Bible think about money " He that hath an evil eye hasteth after wealth, and knoweth not that poverty shall come upon him. {Proverbs 28:22}
{If you are referring to 1.5 billion Muslims reciting in unison, you are incorrect since 1.5 billion Muslims could not possibly recite at the same time, unless they are all in the same time zone!}
Again, pardon me for my poor choice for words, thank you again for the correction.
{I find it absolutely amazing that you have given yourself judgement power over my own claims to have once been a Muslim.}
Again, I am going by what you write, for example, if I claimed to have been a Christian and then asked, why don't Christians follow the teachings of Paul, this would reveal that I was not previously a Christian, or prehaps I breifly declared Christ as a Savior only to quickly renounce it (because of a bad experience or something) without at all reading the teachings of Christianity. This would not be judging me, it would be clarifing to me that I was not a Christian because I asked something or things that a Christian would not ask as you've done claiming to be a Muslim, and then asking Click Here
{You are right in one respect that I have proven to MYSELF that I should NOT be a Muslim and that is why I renounced it as the religion of Satan.}
Kindly show me where in the teaching of Islam that Muslims are told to worship the Devil (Allah Forgive), this is the third time in what I have seen in your writings that you declare this, you must then atleast have some scripture to support this claim. If you want to see what the Bible says, about worshiping the Devil, Click Here, I then ask you to find the same in the Koran.
This site is not to anger you as you seem to already have anger towards some Muslims, it is only to show you right from wrong.
{How if I were to suggest to you that you are not a Muslim! I do not ask you to prove it to
me and neither do I expect you to.}
If any of my posts shows a misconception of Islam, I would be grateful to be corrected, we are all learning.
{You on the other hand without knowing me, have put yourself in a position to judge. I
suspect that it is that you fear as an ex-Muslim I may know too much, rather than too little.}
I do not judge, I just attempt to clarify your misconceptions, and put them against your statements i.e.'ex-Muslim'. Your statements simply do not match your misconceptions, the statements you make simply show you do not know the teachings of Islam as you've stated 'religion of satan'.
{I fail to see that tensions are as a result of the Bible in different languages. If the Bible was only in one language it would still have differences with the Koran. Translation does not take away the disagreement.}
The Koran does agree with the original teachings of Jesus, as the Koran is the Final Testament.
{Strange, because at the top of this post you admitted your error and now you are saying you did not misquote. Which is it?}
Brother Zaphod, at the top I wrote: Some people who all spoke one language were trying to build a tower to see God and then God cursed them by making them all speak a different language. (This tower is now called the "Tower of Babylon" {Genesis 11:19})
You replied; {You have once again convieniently misquoted; Ge 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech...Not SOME as you say}
I chose the word 'some' instead of "all", which was a expressional mistake on my part, but I did not quote any Biblical text in reference to my expresional mistake, therefore I did not misquote anything.
I refered to {Genesis 11:19} although I meant Genesis 11:9, a numerical mistake on my part but the point is that I am refering to (why it is called the tower of Babylon) "Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the LORD confused the language of the whole earth; and from there the LORD scattered them abroad over the face of the whole earth.{Genesis 11:9}
The quote I refered to does not imply some or all, just to it's name. Your claim that I misquoted anything is yet to be proven.
{Let me ask you this question - do the arabs speak exactly the same language today as the Koran is written?}
German, Engilish, Spanish, Urdu, Chinese, all Muslims recite and read the Koran in the Same Language.
{I might point out that Salat or Sholat depending on where you are from is said at prescribed times FOR THE TIME ZONE and not one universal recital at the same time. So now we have two forms of segregation do we not?}
The segragation I am refering to is skin color amoung churches (are there not white churches and black churches) and diferent practices amoung churches, as some do not baptize etc...
For all Muslims no matter wealth, color, or origin to face east as the Prophet did and with Allah in heart, bow to give thanks and ask for guidance, same language, same direction, same submission, I do not see the segragation because of time zones, you are write again that they are not all at the same time but as the sun shines on them at different times, when it is morning for them in one country, they do the same as the morning for their Muslim brother or sister in a different country, as the earth circles the sun, the prayers are made, as the sun warms the land our prayers warm our hearts, as we sleep, another Muslim is being warmed by the sun and prayer, Allah in heart, sun on shoulders, content.
{Keep going Mohammed - the more I read your posts the stronger my faith becomes.}
Thank you, if I can bring you closer to the belief in our Creator then it is by the Grace of Allah, my deep apologies for any mistakes I may have made and may Allah forgive us. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Peace and Blessings,
Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed