Re: Has Allah Removed the Curse of Babylon

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Subject  : Re: Re: Has Allah Removed the Curse of Babylon

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: Dear Brother Zaphod,
: Thank you for your response,
: I do agree with what you say, that we should answer each others questions before further discusions.

: I will answer your questions and then if you can do me the favor to answer mine before responding, agreed?

: {One minute you are agreeing that one language is dangerous and the next you are not, conveniently adding the word
: righteousness.}

: It is dangerous when it is used towards rebelling.  Allah saw to it to confuse the Babylonian's language who were not obeying the commandments of Allah.

: The curse is removed for those who return to the straight path (Islam)
:  
: : {Christians see Jesus as the means for Salvation}

: : Does this mean your preception of Jesus is not consistant with and within the Bible; "To him who loves us and has freed us
: from our sins...," Rev.1:5

: {Zaphod - No}

: *Are you saying Jesus did not die for the sins of humans, are you disagreeing with the Bible and agreeing with the Koran that says Jesus was saved and we are responsible for our own sins?

: : What of the sin of Babylon that Christians are still not free from while Muslims world wide believe in Jesus and are free form the sin of Babylon.

: This is another answered question, you said {see above} as an answer, that is not answering the question, telling me 'no' does not answer the question of *where is the freedom for the Christians from the curse of Babylon? 

: : {There is nothing to keep us from understanding our companions at all.}

: : Wow, I did not know that you speak over 300 languages, impresive.

: {Where did I say I could speak over 300 languages? }

: Just above you said there is 'nothing' to keep you from understanding others.

: {Since the believers are the ones who believe the Koran - is it not true then that as a Christian and not a believer of the Koran I cannot enter paradise? Or is it referring to believers otherwise?}

: I will not deny that you have to believe in Muhammad as a prophet of God which after all these centuries I think it is obvious by now. Those who believe in one God without partners, Allah is forgiving, and guides to Truth.

: {Why is it you can never seem to give a direct answer? I will pose the question again. Where are the original teachings of Jesus as referred to in the Koran?}

: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/6808/Jesus.html

: {You still did not answer my question in the previous post. Do Arabs speak the same everyday language of the Koran today as when it was written?}

: Arabs make up 27% of the Muslims, your question is irelevent, the answer is some, it depends on which Arab country, slang is used as in any language in everyday talk or doth thou disagreath. :-)

: {Jesus did not give a partial message as you say,} 

: I didn't say it, Jesus did in the Bible  John 16:12-13

: {according to Islam he gave an entirely wrong message!}

: *Here is another question for you to answer, where in Islamic teaching does it say that Jesus gave the wrong message. Jesus was given the Gospel from Allah and then scribes after Jesus's life time curropted his message.

: {Any Muslim will tell you the Gospels are corrupt}

: Christians too  http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch2.1.html

: {the same corrupt gospels referred to in the Koran centuries later.}

: *Where does it say Allah gave Jesus a curropted Gospel.  The point is that there is "no" Gospel of Jesus, it is lost, now God gave us the Koran to stay on track. 

: {This verse is in reference to the Holy Spirit coming and it did (see Acts 2), well before Muhammad.}

: John 14: 16,26,30. The word paraclete in Greek and in Hebrew (Praised One, Ahmad/Muhammad) 

: {Was the Egyptian Alcohol company forced to accept the investment? Does not the Islamic law forbid alcohol?}

: Egypt is currently run under French law.  You've traveled?

: {There you go again with the 'closer to the teachings of Jesus' thing, where are the Islamic teachings of Jesus?}

: They are through out the Bible, there was a site on Jesus preaching Islam in the Bible, I can't find it right now but here is an example (Matthew 12:50) 

: : {I renounce Islam as the religion of Satan (which is not the same as saying you worship the Devil) because it draws you away from Christ, which is Satans work.}

: : I kindly asked you to give me verses and you just give more slander, where in the Islamic teachings are we told to be drawn
: away from Jesus, esspecially since we believe he will come back for us, again, kindly support your claims.

: {Zaphod - All the verses you need are contained in the Bible from Genesis to revelations. You discount them because they have been superseded (as you believe) by the Koran. By default you are drawn away from Christ and the Holy Spirit and ultimately God.}

: *A question to answer as I ask you kindly "again", where in Islamic teachings does it say that we are not to believe in Jesus, or to worship satan, you've made this claim quite a few time and if we are to intellegently discuss this topic, then kindly provide me with "correct" verses before replying, thank you.

: {By the way - I was taught by my Islamic teachers that Jesus is coming accompanied by Muhammad. Is that incorrect?}

: I do not claim to be a scolar and it is best to refer to material from a Mosque not the 'net' to obtain info, I was under the impresion that Jesus will come solo to defeat the ant-Christ etc..

: : {There is no forgiveness in Islam only punishment.}

: : Really? wow, can you show me this in context.

: *Where is the answer?, here is a hint: http://www.flash.net/~royal/love.html

: {Sharia law is based on 1400 year old Islam. Two very different systems.}

: That is the beauty of Islam, one book that is the only book in the world that is the law in over 45 countries.

: {You are telling me to believe it which I already do, yet you do not believe it yourself.}

: I brother Zaphod did not say to believe in it, I said if your going to follow it than atleast do what it says, such as following the commandments of Allah.

: {I also explained that I am angered by your unceasing attacks on Christianity in pursuit of Christians to believe the Koran. I am obstructive in your cause and you do not like it.}

: 1. I publicly apologize if my (and other's) research and findings, and questions seem like attacks, I honestly try not to upset anyone, I would like to call it "clearing miscoceptions" and not attacking.
: 2. The devil himself can not obstruct Islam from spreading.
: 3. I have marked questions for you to answer with a (*), If you may please answer these before responding.

: {My friend, I will defend my faith, whether you resort to name calling or not!}

: That is very funny, I do not mean you are a liar on a personel level, I just ask you to provide truth, in the above posts you've called Islam the satan's religion, if you want to verify your claims (with proper verse #'s) than show the proof otherwise your claims are false, I apologize for being blunt and calling you a liar and a fake in the past, I will give you the opportunity to answer the above questions before I come to any conclusions.

: Peace and Blessings,
: Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed