Posted by zaphod on December 30, 1997 at 14:20:56:
In Reply to: Re: Has Allah Removed the Curse of Babylon posted by Mohamed Ghounem on December 28, 1997 at 02:47:36:
{You have once again convieniently misquoted; Ge 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech...Not SOME as you say}
I kindly thank you for pointing out my error, I questioned myself after posting "some", instead of "all", it was and is more accurate to say "All spoke one language" until God cursed them for disobeying.
{Seems odd that God decided that we should speak different languages and then (as you believe) want us to do the opposite and speak one language again.}
It was not a "decision" brother Zaphod, it was a "curse" for their sin. God would like us to reunite and speak one language again but this is our free choice to follow the right path or remain defiant, and reject God's gift of Forgiving with the Koran, our light to the eternal bliss.
Zaphod - Decision or curse the result is the same. Where has God said he would like us to reunite in one language again? (excepting the allusion to it in the Koran).
{The meaning is the same. Does God only understand Arabic? I think not.}
God, brother Zaphod, Knows and understands All, the message of Islam is Peace and what other way to have peace than to have everyone speaking one language, Is there a better way to unite almost 1.5 billion people than to have them speak one language, understanding, expressing love, and sharing, and best of all, bowing to our Creator, reciting in unison.
Zaphod - Actions speak louder than words - there are many ways to have peace. Perhaps one could argue that as English is the internationally accepted language we should speak that, but somehow I think you would not agree! If you are referring to 1.5 billion Muslims reciting in unison, you are incorrect since 1.5 billion Muslims could not possibly recite at the same time, unless they are all in the same time zone!
{In my experience as an ex-Muslim there are in fact slightly different dialects of the prayer rights, which for all intents and purposes amount to a different language or at least a variation.}
Brother Zaphod, a word of advice is that you are only decieving yourself by claiming to have been a Muslim, you have proven in your Previos posts that you were not a Muslim
Zaphod - I find it absolutely amazing that you have given yourself judgement power over my own claims to have once been a Muslim. You are right in one respect that I have proven to MYSELF that I should NOT be a Muslim and that is why I renounced it as the religion of Satan. How if I were to suggest to you that you are not a Muslim! I do not ask you to prove it to me and neither do I expect you to. You on the other hand without knowing me, have put yourself in a position to judge. I suspect that it is that you fear as an ex-Muslim I may know too much, rather than too little.
: "For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent." {Zephaniah 3:9}
{You have taken this verse out of context to support your argument. The verse also does not say 'I will turn to the people WITH a pure language' It says 'I will turn to the people A pure language.}
This is my point brother Zaphod, we would not be "arguing" if the Bible was only accepted in "One" Language like the Koran is. The Bible is accepted in many different languages to be the word of God and that is why we have tensions.
Zaphod - I fail to see that tensions are as a result of the Bible in different languages. If the Bible was only in one language it would still have differences with the Koran. Translation does not take away the disagreement.
I did not misquote as you "argue", I got my quote word for word from the K.J.V. Bible, which is accepted by Christians as the word of God. Click Here Your argument would not have taken place if the Bible is only accepted in "one" language.
Zaphod - Strange, because at the top of this post you admitted your error and now you are saying you did not misquote. Which is it?
Unfortuneately, because the Bible is accepted in many languages as the word of God, words get lost in the "translations". This causes confusion on which is right and the result is that Sunday at 10:am is the Most Segragated Hour of the Week.
Zaphod - On the contrary, I would say that because the Bible is accepted in many languages, spreads the word of God with the effect he desired. Words only get lost in Translituration not translation. Because no language can be transliturated word for word and still make sense, translation is used to KEEP THE MEANING THE SAME. It is the MEANING that is important. Let me ask you this question - do the arabs speak exactly the same language today as the Koran is written? How do you arrive at 10:00 am being the most segregated hour? Are you referring to the times of Church worship? If you are assuming that Christians only attend church on Sunday at 10:00am you are severely mistaken. I might point out that Salat or Sholat depending on where you are from is said at prescribed times FOR THE TIME ZONE and not one universal recital at the same time. So now we have two forms of segregation do we not?
There are over 2,000 different types of Christians, etc..
Zaphod - I do not see the point in continuing to use statistics to support your claims since they can be counteracted with even more statistics. How do you explain the many sects of Islam - Do they not have a common belief?
Keep going Mohammed - the more I read your posts the stronger my faith becomes.
Zaphod