Posted by Mohamed Ghounem on January 01, 1998 at 01:28:23:
In Reply to: Re: Has Allah Removed the Curse of Babylon posted by Zaphod on December 31, 1997 at 19:18:02:
Dear brother Zaphod,
thank you for your response,
I would just like to comment on a few of your previous posts including this one;
{It seems to me from the above that when all the people had one language this was in fact part of the problem and the reason why God did what he did.}
Yes, the people were able to do anything with one language, and instead of useing it for righteousness, and worship, they used it to rebel against God. Then the curse took place.
{Christians see Jesus as the means for Salvation}
Does this mean your preception of Jesus is not consistant with and within the Bible; "To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins...," Rev.1:5
What of the sin of Babylon that Christians are still not free from while Muslims world wide believe in Jesus and are free form the sin of Babylon.
{On the contrary - God is forgiving by giving us different languages so we do not become like the Babylonians.}
Babylon;Babel is the Hebrew word for confused. By confusing the language, the non-Muslims on a world scale "are" Babylonians.
{There is nothing to keep us from understanding our companions at all. Language is a barrier that can be overcome.}
Wow, I did not know that you speak over 300 languages, impresive.
{For you maybe, but for me following the Koran led me to the Bible.}
I would believe you if it wasn't for the fact that in your previous posts you've shown me that you've probably never opened the Koran, for example, You wrote; {"Only Muslims go to heaven", another ridiculous claim since the Koran itself (2.63) does not say this. Now who is it that does not know Islam!}
I looked up this verse and it does not say anything about Christians or Heaven.
"And remember We took your covenant and We raised above you (The towering height) of Mount (Sinai) : (Saying): "Hold firmly to what We have given you and bring (ever) to remembrance what is therein: Perchance ye may fear Allah." {Koran 2:63}
You're posts are further revealing of your false claims but that is your choice to do so. If you are with the Bible maybe you'll no longer tell lies.
You certainly though have not read the Koran as you also say in previous posts that we follow the teachings of a dead Arab and then ask why don't we follow the teachings of Jesus, (who is also an Arab I may add). Teachings of the Koran in just the 2nd chapter would show you that Jesus is a part of Islam, a previous teacher who gave humanity a partial message of Islam and it was completed with the Prophet Muhammad.
"I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come." John 16:12-13
Maybe this was the fact that they could not bear and were very violent towards people like Galileo who claimed the earth is not the center of the universe and Prophet Muhammad (he) told them of things to come such as future scientific discoveries and details of Jesus's return and much more.
{Just where you draw these conclusions beats me! How is it that ENGLISH is a monetary language? How did you relate Proverbs 28:22 to English?}
my reference to English as a monitary language is not based on scripture, it is present day reality, there was no Engish the time of Jesus, English today is more a symbol of money (i.e. "dollar, American Dream, piece of the pie, etc..") than of religion. This century, English dominated countries are the financial leaders, this is to say that where there is money, there is greed, and the "majority" speak English, not the sematic language prescibed to us by our Creator.
{Muslim countries that manufacture acohol, this then according to you, means these people are not Muslims,}
There is an alcohol company in Egypt that was going broke until recently some Western countries invested money in it to support and advertise it nation wide. Travel, see how Western companies are world wide, because of cheaper labour and less strict pollution laws. Non the less, if you do not follow the teachings, you are not Muslim.
Prehaps many in power in the capitalistic West are anti-Islam because of it's piety teachings, more closer to the teachings of Jesus that status symbols are tools of the Devil, etc..
{I renounce Islam as the religion of Satan (which is not the same as saying you worship the Devil) because it draws you away from Christ, which is Satans work.}
I kindly asked you to give me verses and you just give more slander, where in the Islamic teachings are we told to be drawn away from Jesus, esspecially since we believe he will come back for us, again, kindly support your claims.
{There is no forgiveness in Islam only punishment.}
Really? wow, can you show me this in context.
{The law still applies today, but it is conveniently not used much as that is one of the 'not so nice things' about Islam. I forget the exact Hadith that reports it, but I think it is Bukhari Vol 5}.
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234:, you will see here that these criminal stold and murdered, their punishemt was less sevear than the punishment of death administered commonly in the U.S. Laws are laws, you can label Islam with bad and look away at non-Muslims doing bad, this again is your free choice, I have done my part and attempted to clear up your misconceptions, if you continue on your path, continue having been warned.
{Yes you (and others) are strengthening my faith, but in the Christian sense, which I know is not agreeable to you. Many of your posts force me to read the Bible more at which point my emotions are calmed, by the holy spirit.}
Thank you again, I take it then that you will be followning the Bible next time you write "The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him."1 John 2:4 Do as Jesus wants, submit to God (Islam)
Peace and Blessings,
Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed