Posted by Mohamed Ghounem on November 12, 1997 at 10:35:00:
In Reply to: Re: Jesus Is a Muslim posted by zaphod on November 11, 1997 at 17:27:54:
Dear Brother Zaphod,
I am honored by your response,
I will start where you do;
{1. Not directly answering my questions, by diverting the
subject to another matter.}
I've clarified Jesus is a Muslim, "the subject", you go on about some non-Islamic ritual "Black blood extraction with coconuts"? who's off the subject.
{ 2. Accusing me of not being knowledgeable in Islam - this is
based on the facts that I have presented not being familiar to
them - therefore it must be I that is lacking knowledge and not
them!}
If you post something which reveals your lack of knowledge on the subject, am I supposed to praise you for your scholarly knowledge or should I say "you should be embarrassed"
{ 3. Finding items in my postings that simply are not there,
i.e. I do not know about Islam since apparently I did not know
Jesus was in the Koran. }
You asked me in your First Posting reply; "why don't we follow the teachings of Jesus, @ the end of the 1st paragraph. This demonstrates your basic lack of knowledge of Islam and that you never read the Koran to understand that we think of Jesus equal to Prophet Muhammad.
{4. According to them - I defame Islam, (strange, I thought
we were debating) Defaming is their conclusion not mine.}
You call Islam the religion of Satan, in your First Posting, beginning of 2nd paragraph. That is a childish way to label Islam which Labels Jesus as Sinless, while the Bible Labels Jesus as a Sinner
{ 5. I worship somewhere between 3 - 4 Gods, once again, their
conclusion, not mine.}
Do you believe in trinity or quadrinity or 1 Creator of All without partners?
{Muslims attempt to clone themselves to Muhammad even to the
point of taking the same name in such huge numbers. Who is
being Idolised here? }
It is true that the name Muhammad is the most common name in the world, it is also plain that we idolize and worship 1 with out partners "Allah".
We take after our prophet because he showed us the best way to honor Allah.
{ Yet Christians are accused of worshipping more than one God!}
Well, it's simple, do you worship the Father, the son, or the holy ghost?
{ 6. Scientists are athiests according to the church - I
attended church for twenty years, I never heard this preached
once. }
Ask your priest about "evolution", his favorite topic. Read the history, many scientists of genius in the 17th century either had to keep quite or were put to death, tortured or imprisoned, for example {Bruno, Galileo and many more}
{How many times has Ghounem and Aslan attended church and
heard this I wonder? I know at least one scientist that is not
an athiest and therefore this conclusion is incorrect.}
I have been to church, felt the spirit and would rather believe in facts than fairytales. What type of scientist is your friend, certainly not evolutionary scientist.
{7. Ghounam likes to use demographics to support that Islam is
the truth. That is to say there are a huge number of Muslims -
therefore they cannot be wrong, or the number of Muslims is
growing, therefore Islam must be right.}
"According to "The Almanac Book of Facts", the population increased 137% withen the past decade, Christianity increased 46%, while Islam increased 235%." This is 1 drop in the bucket, there are an ocean of reasons why Islam is Right.
{ I was born into a Christian family, but that does not make me a Christian. }
Well well well, in your 3rd Post, last sentence, you claimed "my family is Muslim" again you have been revealed to be a liar, how embarrassing "again", I do not know why I continue to discuss this any further, I think I enjoy revealing you for who you really are, "fake".
{ 8. They both claim that all the errors in the Koran are false. I have read the references and NO, the errors in the Koran have not been conclusively proved incorrect.}
Let the reader judge, or if you may be so kind as to show me a single error, because "I enjoy exposing you"
{9. Aslan asked about the 'Black Blood', - Legend has it that
Muhammad as an infant was visited by an angel and his heart
opened and the 'Black (evil) Blood' removed.}
Prophet Muhammad was not visited by an Angel until the age 40, then Angel Gabriele told him "Read in the Name of your Lord". You make reference to "legends" and "rituals" which are as fake as you.
{ 10. "Only Muslims go to heaven", another ridiculous claim
since the Koran itself (2.63) does not say this. Now who is
it that does not know Islam!}
"And remember We took your covenant and We raised above you (The
towering height) of Mount (Sinai) : (Saying): "Hold firmly to what We have given you and bring (ever) to remembrance what is therein: Perchance ye may fear Allah." {Koran 2:63}
Again you make it clear that you never even read the Koran, did you pick those #'s out of a coconut?
{Actually the more time I spend writing this, the more time
I think I am wasting, since Ghounem and Aslan will most likely
comeback with more rhetorical garbage.}
Well, since you prefer lies over Truth, then it is understandable that you would consider what we say as garbage. If I told you God was a man, that came through a woman and was killed by Jews, you would think my talk was Great.
{You have once again wrongly and judgmentally
assumed that my family feels pity for me.}
Which family.
{None of your arguments have convinced me otherwise, and I believe there is nothing further you can constructively say to convince me.}
Read.
{The contents of this particular debate subject can only be of interest to others reading the arguments, and they can decide for themselves.}
For any true seeker of Truth, do not base your decision on what I say or any one else, base it on what Jesus says in the Bible, then use the gift that God gave you and Read the Koran. "Go as far as China to seek Knowledge" {Prophet Muhammad}
There are many people like Zaphod, who have not even read the Bible or the Koran and yet insist that they are right, let us pray that they find the Straight Path before it is too late for them.
As for you brother Zaphod, I look forward to the more lies you have to offer in your defense of point of view, I know that you are defending the Faulty Bible, but at least try to be consistent and non contradicting with your own postings.
Peace and Blessings,
Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed.