Posted by Mohamed Ghounem on February 15, 1998 at 05:14:31:
In Reply to: Re: The Burden of Proof posted by Mike on February 14, 1998 at 23:43:20:
Dear brother Mike,
Well, I'm not sure where to start.
First of All, If I give you a repy to show that the contradiction you claim exisists in the Qur'an is untrue, then do not make the same claim without even bothering with the reply.
Otherwise you are showing me that you are not open minded and I will give my replies to someone who is.
Second of all, I really don't understand your repeating of this circular reasoning you are talking about. You ask for proof the Qur'an is from Allah, and I give you quotes and scientific facts and you say "Your proving the Qur'an with the Qur'an so it does not count?
Did you want me to quote from an Anthony Burguess book? If you want proof of the Qur'ans origin then does it not logical that I compare a variable to the Qur'an to show that the Qur'an withstands over 1,400 years of tests? Or is this circular reasoning.
Give me examples on how you prove the Gospel is from Allah because I am confused by your requests.
Third and not least, 'Accept Jesus as God' you say, I say: that wouldn't make Jesus very happy since Jesus never, not once, nilch, noda, ibadan, said, I am God, said alot, but never that.
The Jesus as God is a topic I take pleasure in discussing so please reply with two reasons why you think Jesus is God.
Mike wrote;
{we all know the Qur'an contradicts the NT historically (it denies Jesse's crucifixion}
Not exactly, the Qur'an says it "Appeared" as though they killed Jesus but they are in Doubt.
Mike wrote;
{theologically (it denies Jesus' deity)}
So does Jesus.
Mike wrote;
{Ceremonially (the Qur'an brings back animal sacrifices)}
? Where in the NT does it forbid sacrafices?
Mike wrote;
{and the Qur'an does not quote a single verse of the NT specifically.}
That answer would take a week.
Mike wrote;
{So if Allah is the same God as the Christian God, he contradicts himself.}
Kindly show me verse # and quote as to where Allah contradicts.
{Therefore, Allah cannot be God. Only Jesus can be your God and savior. Accept him now-please.}
Listen to your self Brother Mike, you falsely claim that the Qur'an is contradictory, using the website of a proven deciever as support. And expect a Muslim to follow Jesus as God when Jesus denies being God.
Do you want to Save Brother Mike, Read the Qur'an and then speak to Christians.
Inconclusion, give me an example on how to avoid circular reasoning by showing me in detail, how you would prove the Bible is from the Creator without using the Bible and not using content of the Bible as proof.
Peace and Blessings,
Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed