Posted by Mohamed Ghounem on February 17, 1998 at 19:47:20:
In Reply to: Re: The Burden of Proof posted by Mike on February 17, 1998 at 16:07:57:
Dear brother Mike, Hi, I am starting to laugh about this discussion we are having.
I guess I have to take a step forward and give you an example of testing Validity.
By you giving me a website and me replying with a website, then we will get nowhere, Agreed?
Kindly step forward and give me an example how your doctors and scientists (Jochen Katz) :-) have proved the Qur'an is invalid, let me repeat since this is the third time I am asking, "Give a verse number/example where the Qur'an is invalid",
Here is my example in which you can search through the web sites you gave me to counter the corruption in the Bible and try to answer, remember the point is not to attack your religion it is just to show you that there is a more accurate account of the events, believe it or not.
Answer these tensions/discrepencies according to your web sites, see if there is a logical answer and we can have a friendly discussion on them and then you can try to do the same, not websites, but actual verses, here are my example in which you can answer and I will wait for yours, let us be fair to eachother and answer each others answers, I have given you
http://members.aol.com/IslamTeam/pol.htm
To answer your
http://www.answering-islam.org/Science/embryo.html,
http://www.answering-islam.org/Science/index.html
You claim the responses are not valid, kindly show me where.
to give each other websites is simply funny, I will take the time to answer your concerns "without" giving you another website.
If you would like to have a discussion with me, a logical discussion, then let us compare the facts, not websites, but simply facts.
Let us give two at a time because of time, the thing I like about answering Islam web site is that it prompts you to do research which in conclusion, makes you a stronger Muslim when you find the answer.
Here are my two examples of Bible discrepencies which you can search:
http://www.jude3.org/resources/JPH_BUTWT_frame.html: http://users.why.net/think/apologia/stereo.htm:
http://www.Christian-thinktank.com/ordorise.html: http://www.answering-islam.org/Bible/Contra/resurrect.html
and try to find the answer, take your time, do not rush so we can give eachother friendly logical answers.
The first two examples of discrepensies are:
Was the tomb open when they arrived? Matthew 28:2 "No" Mark 16:4 "Yes" Luke 24:2 "Yes" John 20:1 "Yes"
and
Did Jesus stay on earth for a while? Mark: "No" (16:19) Compare 16:14 with John 20:19 to show that this was "all done on Sunday" Luke: "No" (24:50-52) "It all happened on Sunday" John: Yes, at least eight days (20:26, 21:1-22) Acts: "Yes, at least forty days" (1:3)
Answer those two logically according to your referencs sites:
http://www.jude3.org/resources/JPH_BUTWT_frame.html: http://users.why.net/think/apologia/stereo.htm:
http://www.Christian-thinktank.com/ordorise.html: http://www.answering-islam.org/Bible/Contra/resurrect.html
post the answer and give me a question from:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Science/index.html
This will end our circular discusion, have an open mind as many priests are converting to Islam so let this be enlightening. I do appreciate your desire for me to accept Jesus, a little info on Muslims is that Muslims do accept Jesus, we accept Jesus as equally as we accept our Prophet Muhammad, we do not worship Jesus nor did Jesus worship himself, but let us stay on the subject, "validity of scripture"
Now that I've given examples, give yours, before you give them, maybe you can take the time to see if it is answerable, because if I answer it then your site would be proven false (again) so take your time and keep an open mind, if you worship Jesus and Jesus is your creator then that is your free choice, just use your gift of (thinking logically) to find the Truth.
Accept Truth, not just your right and I am wrong, otherwise we are not using our blessing of a working mind, Yes?
Peace and Blessings,
Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed