Posted by Mike on February 17, 1998 at 23:06:59:
In Reply to: Re: The Burden of Proof posted by Mohamed Ghounem on February 17, 1998 at 19:47:20:
M: Dear brother Mike, Hi, I am starting to laugh about this discussion we are having.
Mike: The only thing funny is your complete inability to defend Islam. You have no reason to believe Islam is true.
M: I guess I have to take a step forward and give you an example of testing Validity.
Mike: How can you lecture me when you do not even know introductory logic.
M: By you giving me a website and me replying with a website, then we will get nowhere, Agreed?
Mike: No because I have read your sites and spelled out to you why those arguments in defense of the Qur'an were invalid.
M: .."Give a verse number/example where the Qur'an is invalid"
Mike: you have the burden of proof so the burden is on you to first make your case that Allah is God and the Qur'an is the word of God. I have already refuted your early claims and website by pointing out the logical fallacies you and your scientist and doctors have committed.
M: http://members.aol.com/IslamTeam/pol.htm
Mike: I have gone to the location you suggested above and none of it (Quran And Islam; Allegation of Allah not being able to decide as to who Muslims could have as friends; Does the Quran Really Confirm the Bible Is Unchanged?; Allegation of Mary being the sister of Aaron and her mother being the wife of Imran
) answers the objections (regarding embryology and science) that are raised against your claims for the Qur'an listed on the locations below:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Science/embryo.html,
http://www.answering-islam.org/Science/index.html
Mike: Mohamed you have yet to present a positive case for your continued belief that Allah is God or that the Qur'an is the Word of God.
M: You claim the responses are not valid, kindly show me where.
Mike: I have given you logical objections to your claims in defense of the Qur'an and Allah. I have written that you have committed the logical fallacies of circular reason, composition, card stacking, ad hominim, You have yet to answer my logical objections.
M: to give each other websites is simply funny,
Mike: No it's useful if you were to actually read my references just as I have read yours. At best Mohamed your are being intellectually lazy. Open your mind and accept the reality that Islam is indefensible and thus untrue.
M: I will take the time to answer your concerns "without" giving you another website.
Mike: you do not need a website to answer my logical objection to your defense of the Qur'an and your claim that Allah is God.
M: If you would like to have a discussion with me, a logical discussion, then let us compare the facts, not websites, but simply facts.
Mike: The fact is that in logic and law historical precedence means that the burden of proof rest on any and all new claims to truth. What is recognized as truth test all new claims to truth. Since Islam follows Christianity by some 600 years, you must first make you case that Allah is God etc. etc.
M: Here are my two examples of Bible discrepancies that you can search:
Mike: Your are changing the subject again because you cannot defend Islam. You have no good reason to continue to be a Muslim.
M: and try to find the answer, take your time, and do not rush so we can give each other friendly logical answers.
Mike: Mohamed if you really want to know the truth you would get off of your intellectually lazy butt and explore the cites I have given you since the answer to your discrepancies are right in front of you.
http://www.jude3.org/resources/JPH_BUTWT_frame.html: http://users.why.net/think/apologia/stereo.htm:
http://www.Christian-thinktank.com/ordorise.html: http://www.answering-islam.org/Bible/Contra/resurrect.html
M: me a question from
Mike: I challenge you again to answer the Islamic dilemma: Since Muslim claim that Allah is the same God as the Christian God whose word cannot be corrupted and since the Qur'an and the NT contradict each other on the historical fact of Jesus' crucifixion, Allah contradicts himself. Therefore, Allah cannot be God.
M: Accept Truth, not just you're right and I am wrong, otherwise we are not using our blessing of a working mind, Yes?
Mike: Mohamed you do not practice what you preach for if you did you would have explored the websites I have given you and if you did not agree with them you would have provided a refutation (like I have) but you have not because you cannot. Mohamed accept the reality that you have no good reason to believe that Islam is true. Open you mind and receive God's grace through faith in Jesus.
Peace and Blessings,
Your Brother in Christ: Michael