Re: The Burden of Proof

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: Dear brother Mike,

: Hello

: Mike: How could my statement be false when you concede that Christians accept Christianity so it is accepted.

: Mohamed: Here you more clearly demonstrate your biost views. If I used the same logic (i.e. Muslims except Islam, therefore Islam is accepted) you would be a hypocrite and tell me I am not following logic.

: Mike: Mohamed you have once again shown your irrationality. My statement above was in reference to the burden of proof, that being since Christianity has been accepted as truth BEFORE Islam, Muslims have the burden of proof. You have committed the logical fallacy called the strawman argument.

: Mohamed: kindly allow me to further clarify, in the chronological order of Warnings from Allah: Torah, Gospel, Qur'an. Islam agrees Monotheolistically to the Message of the Torah.

: Therefore historically meeting the Burden of Proof.  You brother Mike are limmiting history to only the existance of Christianity and are ignoring the teachings of Moses.

: Believe it or not brother Mike, there were Prophet's before Jesus and as Predicted in the Bible, Prophet Muhammad came after Jesus

: http://members.aol.com/RamiKen/muhammad.htm

: This is something that is your free choice to believe or not, my theory is that it is research that differenciates us.  If a person open-mindedly studied World Theology, They would be a Muslim.

: There are Jews who do not believe in Jesus, that is their free choice too, Prophet Muhammad was not anti-Jesus, he confirmed Jesus and his second coming to those Jews that did not believe in him.

: If you look at history, the Qur'an has made more Jews believe in Jesus then the Gospel, Middle East is Proof.

: Why then are you so against a Divine Book that has confirmed millions faith in Jesus, the Messenger of Allah, and why do you insist that Jesus is God when Anglican bishops Publically declare that Jesus is Not God:  http://members.aol.com/IslamTeam/ang.htm

: There are verses in the Bible that sugest that Moses is God, that David is God, that Melckolvich is God, on and on.  The same verses that you may use to sugest Jesus is God can be used for alleast half a dozen other Messengers of God within the Bible.

: Let us not choose one teaching and ignore the others.

: Mike: Once agian, Mohamed you have committed the logic fallacy called the strawman argument in which you misrepresent the other person's view (Christian worsphip three god's in one) and attack the false argument that you yourself have invented instead of debating the person's point. I know of no Christian who would claim to worship three gods.

: Mohamed: Your points are your refrence sites, which I have shown you I have visisted them and I have shown you they have been answered.

: If you reject their answers, then show how. Out of caring, I have shown you the answers to your questions and given you some questions for you to ponder.

: In return, you have never answered my questions, only pointing me to websites (which I have also proven I have visited) which dispite my tedious searching, I have not found the answers.  

: I have taken your word, the same word that claims Jesus is god.  I have trusted you and searched and searched the sites you recommened to find the answers I asked you and continue to ask you and have not found the answer.

: Again, can you kindly, with sugar on top, show me the answers to the tensions in the resurection stories? I repeat: I have not found them in the sites you've suggested.  

: If you have the free time to reply to this, then find the answers for me, aren't Christians kind enough to assist a Muslim with a question towards Christianity, or do you still not answer Muslim's questions.

: I see in a new post above, you ask a Muslim to give you questions, why then won't you answer mine?

: Do not be offended, but I honestly think you are being rude, I have answered your questions and you refuse to ansewr mine.  Then want me to consider that Jesus is equal to God.

: You are telling me repeatedly that my answers are wrong and you are right and   never    giving   me   a  single example  of either  one of   your    claims  dispite my repeated requests.

: You will only be insulting me if you reply to this without going to the answers and questions in the above posts to you and not giving me examples (preferable Theological) of how or where or when the answers are wrong or the answers to the questions.

: To reply telling me my answers are illogical is futile without giving examples.

: You ask me to follow the rules of logic which I do yet you completely ignore them when it comes to Christianity, for example;

: Mike: Here you have committed the logical fallacy of argumentum ad populum. That is you are saying that just because more Jews reject Christianity than accept it. Therefore Christianity is not true. Public opinion does not establish truth.

: Mohamed: As you see, you do not follow your own logic, you say Islam is false because it does not agree with Trinity, and Completely ignore the same logic when it comes to Judism and Christianity or how compatible Judism and Islam are.

: According to your reply 'fallacy of argumentum ad populum', then are you saying that if some Christians do not accept Trinity, then Christianity is not accepted, or is it accepted because most Christians accept it.

: Christian scholars Reject Trinity: 

: http://members.aol.com/IslamTeam/tri.htm

: According to you, most Christians accept Trintiy, therefore it is true, but because most Jews (Who came before Christians) Reject Trinity, then that does not prove Christianity false.

: Do you see the hypocricy in this line of debating?

: Mike: Currently my office is switching my on-line service from erols to compuserve. So I cannot access your website reference yet (I am using a co-worker's computer while he is out of the office) When my computer is back on line, I will fully answer your site in contrast to your irrational, truncated responses to my points and site references. Mohamed why do you leave out so many of my arguments? I suspect you do because you cannot answer them so instead of answering my arguments, you attack the strawman. Such is the irrational plight of Muslims because they have no good reason to believe that Islam is true.

: Mohamed: You really are a funny person, you have been answered and reanserwed, and have avoided every one of my question, claiming I am changing the subject, (yeah right) your the one who is bringing up that Jesus is god, yet when I mention Jesus, I am changing the subject, More hypocricy.

: Mike: I am not offended because I love you just as Jesus loves you. Mohamed come to reason and receive God's Grace through faith is Jesus Christ our God.

: Mohamed: I have Allah's grace which is to reflect, I am Al Ham Du LiLah worship Only One Creator with no partners.

: I am Blessed with Grace to Obey the Maker, and Not the made.

: Mike: I did not say Christiantiy=logic

: Mohamed: That's a start :-)

: Mike: another strawman argument. I argued that Christianity follows the rules of logic in contrast to the self-conscious irrationity of Islam for all the world to see.

: Mohamed: Examples? Here you again are saying 'your right and I am wrong'   If you are going to claim my proof is wrong, then 1) follow your own reasoning 2) give examples 3) keep in mind that Christianity is not the First or Last 4)attempt to be open-minded, as noted above, there are DOCumented Christian SCHolars who deny the Divinity of Jesus, not Just Jews and Muslims.

: Peace and Blessings,
: Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed