Re: in response to Jochen

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Subject  : Re: Re: in response to Jochen 

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: This will be my last attempt to respond to you. After that
: I will give up.

: : {You have a rather unique style of appearing friendly while insulting others.}
:  
: : I am about to prove you are a liar, take it lightly as it is not meant 
: : to attack or anything 

: You live in a different world. Calling others a liar is an attack in my 
: vocabulary. But if you redefine the meaning of language, then you have to 
: talk to those who follow your defintions. I stick to the conventional meanings.

: : In the above moon issue, there are about 10 (give or take) verses in the 
: : Islamic writing that give the location of the moon.

: : 9 out of the 10 verses say that the moon is at the lowest heaven, 
: : and one verse does not give a specific location.

: I was talking about the Qur'an only, not about "islamic writings".

: 
: : You expect a reader to believe you did not intensionally twist words around 
: ; by taking "that one" verse out of the 10 verses that does not give location 
: : and changing the word _midst_ into _middle_

: I do not expect anybody to just believe. I expect them to go and
: check it and when they want they can write a response and send it to me
: and I will put it up along side. I have made you that offer already
: months ago, but you continue to complain instead of going to work and 
: write responses for the site. Why are you such a coward? Write a response
: and I will put it up. And I will answer you on the site. But this silly
: exchange here is ended NOW.

: : If there are mistakes that you would like to correct, then in your site 
: " 'difficulties in the Qur'an'  you can correct the first mistake by saying 
: : "difficulties in the _translation_ of the Qur'an".  Or is decievement 
: : more your style?

: On this very message board, you have posted many times "Bible contradictions"
: Can you point me to even one of these postings that you called "difficulties in
: the TRANSLATION of the Bible"?  Or did you not call them errors or contradictions?

: I don't want to attack you. No, I only kindly point out your hypocrisy.

: : {First of all, none of the material on that page is written by me.}

: : It is directly on your site, 

: It is not. At least not all of it. Furthermore, the site has been
: started by me, but it is now a team working on it and not all is
: supervised, let alone written by me. 

: : therefore it is slander with your name on it.

: And it is not slander either. 

: : {Second of all, no link on that page says what you claim it says. Why are you lying?}

: : Well, well, well, let's start with the quotes; "The Persecution of Christians 
: : in the Islamic World" here you are suggesting that the Islamic world Persecutes 
: : Christians (stereotyping), let's see what type of persecution the "Islamic _World_ 
: : does to Christians" according your _site_ .

: It is not me, but the author does not say every Muslim persecutes Christians.
: He points out concrete cases of persecution. And they are documented.
: Can you tell me one of them that is not real? 

: Have you ever seen a Muslim talking about Bosnia? Isn't that slander?
: I mean, they say the Christians kill and rape Muslims, don't they?
: But that is slander. I am a Christian and I have never raped or killed
: a Muslim. Therefore you are slandering and stereotyping.

: Right?  But nowhere did we ever say "All Muslims ..."
: All this site does is to point out real events which sadly 
: are not singular but relatively symptomatic. but that still
: doesn't mean that all or even a majority of Muslims does this.

: : 1.Muslim militants kill 10 Christians http://www.domini.org/openbook/cop70214.htm

: Did they or did they not?  Furthermore, open your eyes. What is the
: domain name of that site? Is it answering-islam? No, this is an independent
: web site. I have a link to it, but it is not on my site. By the way,
: have you told your Muslim friends yet they should remove the slanderous
: material that you acknowledged is slanderous in an earlier message on this
: board? The one calling Jesus Satan? Clean up your own house first. Then come
: and we can look into your complaints.

: : 2.a high Muslim official. This man, her father, molested Seema when she was 
: : five http://answering-islam.org/Marriage/warnings.html

: did he or did he not? In fact, I have met the author of this article and
: she has been told this story by the person who was molested. What is your
: knowledge about the situation? None. 

: : So your site doen't call Muslims murderers and molestors or am I the liar?

: You said that I call all 1.5 billion Muslims murderers and molesters.
: And nowhere do I do so. THAT was a lie on your part. 

: : {  http://www.iol.ie/~afifi/BICNews/Harbinger/harbinger14.htm
: : Here is a Muslim who acknowledges the atrocities happening. And he speaks mostly about Egypt, the country you claimed a few days ago all is so wonderfully harmoneous between Muslims and Christians.}

: : You never lived in Egypt,

: true, but these news come directly from Egypt. Should I sign you up for 
: the coptic mailing list? Every week the news come. Fresh from Egypt.

: : Forth, that site is from Irland, not the Middle East.  

: I am glad you are such a funny guy. Do you know that you just posted your
: arguments on this UK site? Since it is not posted on a Middle East side, but in 
: the UK it is irrelevant what you say. 

: Good grief. It is a Muslim site.

: : The Law in Islam is to live in Peace with Christians 

: this might be the law, but that persecution web site is not 
: about the law, it is about REALITY. It is not about utopia or
: some ideals, it is about those things that are really happening.

: Stealing and murdering is against the law in the US too. And it happens
: anyway. Should it not be reported because it is not the law? does it not
: happen because it is not the law? I find your arguments incredibly strange.

: : if they live in Peace with you, this has been the case for centuries 
: : and that is how Egypt is now.

: It is not. Beginning of January a friend of mine, a convert was arrested
: in Egypt and held for a whole week, and beaten, just because he was a 
: convert to Christianity. 

: That is reality. But nobody can force you to recognize reality.

: Jochen