Re: in response to Jochen

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: Mohammed wrote:
: : Hi, thank you for the kind comment, and glad to see you getting some time off work.

: : {If this were true it would be the Quran of Mohammed, not Uthmans Quran.}

: : It is the Qur'an of our Creator/Allah, not Muhammad or Gabriel or Uthman.

: : just a quick sum up, Allah sent Angel Gabriel to Prophet Muhammad, the Qur'an was memorized, the companions wrote it, all done during the life time of the Prophet.  

: : the rest that you falsely claim has been answered by brother  Mustafa ASLAN    http://www.debate.org.uk/weboard/debate/messages/793.html

: : {no testimonies in history or archeological documents saying that Uthman preserved the word of Mohammed.}

: : One word for you brother Malakh, "Science"

: : {As I have said before, the MESSAGE between versions of the Bible has NOT changed.}

: : Really, well, I will give you a tiny example:

: : according to the KJV Hebrews 11:17 "By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,"

: : and then that has been changed to sound less of a contradiction and the word begotten was taken out.  KJV clearly shows that it is Ishmael who was sacraficed which makes all of Genesis/Hebrews tampered with and all the prophecies that followed.

: : Hebrews 11:17  By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was ready to offer up his only son," RSV

: : This is just a word that has been removed to hide what has been clearly changed, this is not to mention entire passages being removed here and there.

: : Peace and Blessings,
: : Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed</I>

: Hiya Mohamed, well, still travelling and working - nothing like a bad phone connection
: in a hotel when youre trying to catch up here in the only social life one gets for a 
: short while :-)

: Ok, maybe it is the difference in our mastery of the English language here that might
: be causing you confusion, but I have to say, I see no difference in the two versions
: you displayed here.....We are talking about <b>Faith</b> here:

: Hebrews 11:1-2
: 1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.
: 2 This is what the ancients were commended for. 

: 
: By faith, Abraham was ready to sacrifice his only son .
: We are often called to leave worldly connections, interests, and comforts. If heirs of Abraham's faith, we shall obey and go forth, though not knowing what may befall us; and we 
: shall be found in the way of duty, looking for the performance of God's promises.
: The trial of Abraham's faith was, that he simply and fully obeyed the call of God. 

: The greatest trial and act of faith upon record is, Abraham's offering up Isaac, (Genesis 22:2 - Old Testament I might add) . There, every word
: shows a trial. It is our duty to reason down our doubts and fears, by looking, as Abraham 
: did, to the Almighty power of God. The best wayto enjoy our comforts is, to give them up to 
: God; he will then again give them as shall be the best for us. Let us look how far our 
: faith has caused the like obedience, when we have been called to lesser acts of 
: self-denial, or to make smaller sacrifices to our duty. Have we given
: up what was called for, fully believing that the Lord would make up all our losses, and 
: even bless us by the most afflicting dispensations? 

: If youve ever felt the 'calling' to do something on trusting God alone, you know what this
: is talking about.  In complete <b>submission</b>, we seek God's will prayerfully and 
: confirm His 'calling' (the Holy Spirit communicates Gods will to our spirit) through the 
: several ways, the Scriptures being one of those ways.  (To insure that it IS God speaking 
: to us -another topic all on its own - knowing Gods Will in our live).