Re: in response to Jochen

Posted by Mohamed Ghounem on February 12, 1998 at 10:49:36:

In Reply to: Re: in response to Jochen posted by Malakh on February 12, 1998 at 04:58:42:

Dear Brother Malakh,

You are much smarter than to take part in this common Christian denial that Hagar was Abraham's wife, Ishmael was the one to be sacraficed and the only "begotten" son when Abraham was 99 the time of the sacrafice.

Genesis 16:3 "And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife."

Do you see that brother Malakh, not his hussy, not his mistress, no agreement to adopt Ishmael after he is born, simply His "Wife", I know the preacher and the commentators have been telling you otherwise for years, but they still want you to pay tithing and buy the second edition.

The Commentators and Preachers are not The Creator nor is their word (similar to Paul's), more trustworthy than Prophet Moses.

To say otherwise is practically blasphmy, to say Abraham had a mistress, was committing adultry and that our Creator blessing (Genesis 17:20) an "illagetamet" child is really desparate for the commontators and Preachers to do.

The common Christian may fall for it "We hear and we obey, here is our money" but you an obiously smart person can not fall for these insults to our forefather Abraham and labeling Allah as a poor judge.

Genesis 16:15 "And Hagar beareth to Abram a son; and Abram calleth the name of his son, whom Hagar hath borne, Ishmael;"

Genesis 16:16 "and Abram [is] a son of eighty and six years in Hagar's bearing Ishmael to Abram."

Who's son? Abraham's "son". Now as far as the sacrafice is concerned, Genesis 17:24 "Abraham was ninety-nine years old when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin."

That makes Abraham's son Ismael 13, how old is Isaac at this time? Genesis 21:5 "Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him."

that means during the circumcision/sacrafice, Abraham's only "begotten" son is Ishmael.

Do you not see, Moses and our Creator call Ishmael, "Abraham's son".
Your commentators and preachers don't, who is right?

Peace and Blessings,
Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed

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: Dear Brother Malakh,

: You are much smarter than to take part in this common Christian denial that Hagar was Abraham's wife, Ishmael was the one to be sacraficed and the only "begotten" son when Abraham was 99 the time of the sacrafice.

: Genesis 16:3 "And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife."

: Do you see that brother Malakh, not his hussy, not his mistress, no agreement to adopt Ishmael after he is born, simply His "Wife", I know the preacher and the commentators have been telling you otherwise for years, but they still want you to pay tithing and buy the second edition.

: The Commentators and Preachers are not The Creator nor is their word (similar to Paul's), more trustworthy than Prophet Moses.

: To say otherwise is practically blasphmy, to say Abraham had a mistress, was committing adultry and that our Creator blessing (Genesis 17:20) an "illagetamet" child is really desparate for the commontators and Preachers to do.

: The common Christian may fall for it "We hear and we obey, here is our money" but you an obiously smart person can not fall for these insults to our forefather Abraham and labeling Allah as a poor judge.

: Genesis 16:15 "And Hagar beareth to Abram a son; and Abram calleth the name of his son, whom Hagar hath borne, Ishmael;"

: Genesis 16:16 "and Abram [is] a son of eighty and six years in Hagar's bearing Ishmael to Abram."

: Who's son? Abraham's "son". Now as far as the sacrafice is concerned, Genesis 17:24 "Abraham was ninety-nine years old when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin."

: That makes Abraham's son Ismael 13, how old is Isaac at this time? Genesis 21:5     "Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him."

: that means during the circumcision/sacrafice, Abraham's only "begotten" son is Ishmael.

: Do you not see, Moses and our Creator call Ishmael, "Abraham's son".
: Your commentators and preachers don't, who is right?

: Peace and Blessings,
: Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed