Re: in response to Jochen

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Posted by Mohamed Ghounem on February 17, 1998 at 05:15:12:

In Reply to: Re: in response to Jochen posted by Malakh on February 16, 1998 at 17:46:24:

Dear Brother Malakh,
Al Salamualykum (Peace Be Upon You)

Let's start where you do;

{You can call Hagar what you like, Sarai sinned by offering another woman to her husband. Iknow the Quran and Mohummed allow for the practice of polygamy but there was no marriage contract here. Are you telling me every woman you sleep with is your wife?}

1. It is written in the "Bible" that Hagar is Abraham's wife, according to Christianity, that would fit as a Holy maratal contract.
2. You seem to know more about Islam than Christianity, fore in Christianity, the number of Allowed wives is Not Limmited (i.e. King Solomon, etc..) and the Qur'an is the only revelation that limits the number of wives to 4 and specifically says that Allah prefers you only have 1 wife.
3. Sara gave Abraham Hagar as a wife, the Bible does not go into detail about the flavor of the wedding cake but are you saying that Abraham, our fore father of faith, would sleep with a woman without being married? and are you also saying that your Creator would bless that Child?

{You see how Sarai cast Hagar out - whether concubine, mistress or 2nd wife, Sarai got the upper hand and Ishmael was reduced to illegitamate son.}

From your previous tone, I would say your from mid-west America, since your (maybe) from America, then you would know that 1 out of 2 people get divorsed in America, are you brother Malakh saying that Millions of little girls and boys are not legitamate children because their mothers and fathers are no longer married.

Are the children of divorsed parents illagetamate children? Ask your preacher that one ;)

{ The point I am trying to make with you here is that Ishmael was no longer considered Abrahams son once he was cast out of the home of Sarah and Abraham. They were cast out with the clothes on their backs and whatever Hagar could carry. There was no alimony offered, or meetings set up to provide for her and Ishmael. When youre cast out of a home, Mohamed, all ties to the family are broken. You no longer are family, you no longer exist. You are dead in their eyes.}

Genesis 25:9 "Then his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him (Abraham) in *the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, facing Mamre,"

Genesis 25:12 "Now these are the records of the generations of *Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's maid, bore to Abraham;"

Only your preachers and commentators would try to erase the relationship between a father and son, dispite the mom's divorse. Why would they do that, it is simple, they know that Prophet Muhammad can be traced back to Kedar, one of Ishmael's sons.

Inconclusion, go to one of your friends who's parents are divorsed, tell your friend that he or she is a illagetamate child because their parents are divorsed and then try to support it with scripture.

If it strikes you that your logic is not based on reality or Biblical scripture, then words of Allah are available to clarify.

Peace and Blessings,
Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed

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Comments:
: Dear Brother Malakh,
: Al Salamualykum (Peace Be Upon You)

: Let's start where you do;

: {You can call Hagar what you like, Sarai sinned by offering another woman to her husband. Iknow the Quran and Mohummed allow for the practice of polygamy but there was no marriage contract here. Are you telling me every woman you sleep with is your wife?}

: 1. It is written in the "Bible" that Hagar is Abraham's wife, according to Christianity, that would fit as a Holy maratal contract.
: 2. You seem to know more about Islam than Christianity, fore in Christianity, the number of Allowed wives is Not Limmited (i.e. King Solomon, etc..) and the Qur'an is the only revelation that limits the number of wives to 4 and specifically says that Allah prefers you only have 1 wife.
: 3. Sara gave Abraham Hagar as a wife, the Bible does not go into detail about the flavor of the wedding cake but are you saying that Abraham, our fore father of faith, would sleep with a woman without being married? and are you also saying that your Creator would bless that Child?

: {You see how Sarai cast Hagar out - whether concubine, mistress or 2nd wife, Sarai got the upper hand and Ishmael was reduced to illegitamate son.}

: From your previous tone, I would say your from mid-west America, since your (maybe) from America, then you would know that 1 out of 2 people get divorsed in America, are you brother Malakh saying that Millions of little girls and boys are not legitamate children because their mothers and fathers are no longer married.

: Are the children of divorsed parents illagetamate children? Ask your preacher that one ;)

: { The point I am trying to make with you here is that Ishmael was no longer considered Abrahams son once he was cast out of the home of Sarah and Abraham. They were cast out with the clothes on their backs and whatever Hagar could carry. There was no alimony offered, or meetings set up to provide for her and Ishmael. When youre cast out of a home, Mohamed, all ties to the family are broken. You no longer are family, you no longer exist. You are dead in their eyes.}

: Genesis 25:9 "Then his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him (Abraham) in *the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, facing Mamre,"

: Genesis 25:12 "Now these are the records of the generations of *Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's maid, bore to Abraham;"

: Only your preachers and commentators would try to erase the relationship between a father and son, dispite the mom's divorse. Why would they do that, it is simple, they know that Prophet Muhammad can be traced back to Kedar, one of Ishmael's sons.

: Inconclusion, go to one of your friends who's parents are divorsed, tell your friend that he or she is a illagetamate child because their parents are divorsed and then try to support it with scripture.

: If it strikes you that your logic is not based on reality or Biblical scripture, then words of Allah are available to clarify.

: Peace and Blessings,
: Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed

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