Posted by Mustafa ASLAN on November 03, 1997 at 09:37:59:
In Reply to: Re: Jesus Is a Muslim posted by Zaphod on October 31, 1997 at 18:33:14:
Since our religion (i.e. Islam) founded by Abraham (pbuh) we consider all prophets and people of books muslim up to Prophet Muhammad (SAV). There is no contradiction in this claim. You mentioned about errors in Qur'an, could you please explain that issue?
You may not accept Qur'an, that's fine. We are, however, accepting Injil (namely Gospel) but not corrupted one. But when you bring corrupted verses to prove that Jesus is God or Son of God, we don't act like you do. We don't say "it is corrupted that's why we don't beleive it, find something else", but we discuss. Can't you act like a civilized one?
By the way, living in a muslim country/community or being muslim does not mean that you know Islam. Don't say " I have lived in Islamic
countries and what I learned about Islam is plenty, believe me, I was taught by Muslims." Take my word for it.
Qur'an 3:65-69
65. O followers of the Book! why do you dispute about
Ibrahim, when the Taurat and the Injeel were not revealed till
after him; do you not then understand?
66. Behold! you are they who disputed about that of which
you had knowledge; why then do you dispute about that of
which you have no knowledge? And Allah knows while you do
not know.
67. Ibrahim was not a Jew nor a Christian but he was (an) upright
(man), a Muslim, and he was not one of the polytheists.
68. Most surely the nearest of people to Ibrahim are those who
followed him and this Prophet and those who believe and Allah is
the guardian of the believers.
69. A party of the followers of the Book desire that they should
lead you astray, and they lead not astray but themselves, and
they do not perceive.
Peace be upon you.
Mustafa ASLAN
: I promised myself I would not do this, but - Not ONE of your rebuttals contains any sense or truth or continuity. You are all too willing to quote this and that, but you are too blind to see that it achieves nothing. It is no use quoting the Koran to me - I simply do not believe it is the truth. You quote the Bible as you see it only, you are too blind to see a Christian viewpoint. Your 'facts' are incorrect, yet you have stated I lack knowledge of Christianity. In order to convince people, you yourself have to be convincing, your style is simply to pick what suits your line of argument and transform it into rhetoric. If Jesus was a Muslim because he submitted to the will of God then Christians and Jews ( and plenty of other people), by your definition, are also Muslims. Your loose argument is way too broad. You are arguing about the word MUSLIM and its origins compared with JEW and its origin. A Christian is someone who follows Christ and calls himself a Christian. He or she 'submits to God' but differentiates him or herself from a MUSLIM. Can you not see that? You cannot possibly follow the teachings of Jesus, since they are not contained in the Koran, they are contained in the Bible , ( which according to you has thousands of errors, incidentally, there is plenty of evidence to show errors in the Koran), Your Koran confirms the teachings of Jesus are in the Bible . You claim I know nothing about Islam - yet you do not know me! I have lived in Islamic countries and what I learned about Islam is plenty, believe me, I was taught by Muslims. Okay, time for you to go and get all your hyperlinks together and select 'out of context' text to prepare for your next hollow argument. I am not going to argue the 'Jesus never said he was God' line at this point, as it is a matter of faith and progressive revelation which I do not think you are ready for, until you are prepared to consider the Bible and its meaning in complete form.