Posted by Mohamed Ghounem on November 08, 1997 at 12:10:37:
In Reply to: Re: Jesus Is a Muslim posted by Zaphod on November 07, 1997 at 16:19:44:
Dear Brother Zaphod,
I am honored by your Response,
I will start where you do;
{Even though Abraham was the founder of your religion he is also considered the patriarch of the Jewish and Christian religions, he is not exclusive to Islam, he is not called a Muslim in any of the holy scriptures pertaining to these religions.}
I have already asked you to read the Hebrew and Arabic Bible to
find the word Islam (Submission), God in the Arabic Bible is "Allah".
{I am a Christian, and therefore a person you describe as a
'person of the books' I am not a MUSLIM nor do I wish to be
called one, but you can certainly CONSIDER me one if you like.}
Abraham and Jesus are Muslims because they worshiped 1 God without
partners, you are not a Muslim, you worship 3 Gods, 1 with
2 partners or According to Our Missionary Friend Jochen, 4 Gods
{To reiterate Jesus was a JEW according to Christians based on
the Biblical account.}
This is his tribe origin "Juda Tribe" equals Jew. Jesus bowed down
to 1 God and preached Islam. Obeying 1 God without partners, a Muslim.
{It will not do you any good to refer to Jesus as a Muslim to a Christian,
as it is just not acceptable.}
Prehaps not to the ones who refuse to accept Truth, no one is forcing
anyone to accept this. If you want to serve your Creator, you would
follow Truth.
{For the errors in the Koran, (since you asked) please look up
the reference material by M. Rafiqul-Haqq and P. Newton. It is
available on the internet at, http://debate.domini.org/newton/grammar.html. }
Click Here to see all false claims against the Koran exposed
Do you now see that the Koran has,is, and will be Perfect.
{You said "we do not say it is corrupted (The Gospel) that is
why we don't believe it" That is EXACTLY what you did say -
read your own post! I asked what Gospel it was Muslims believed
in, since the Koran refers to the Gospel that preceeded it, and
it would seem silly to refer to a Gospel (that was already
cannonised) to be corrupt.}
We Believe in the Gospel of Jesus, not Paul, John, Matthew, etc..
{did I say I KNOW Islam (in the complete sense as you imply).
I said I knew plenty}
In your original reply, you showed that you did not even know that
Jesus is in the Koran, this shows you don't know Islam. Embarassing.
{What is it you may be afraid of?}
Only "Allah", Brother Zaphod.
{Is it that I may reveal such things as the bizzarre 'Black Blood' extraction ceremony I was subjected to? This apparently was taken from instructions in the Koran and Hadith, but I have yet to find them.}
If it is not in the Koran or Hadith, is it Islamic. Your writing reveals that you just want to defame Islam, without any knowledge of what your talking about.
{I have been deep into Islam and came out a survivor thank God.}
1. You never even got to the fourth chapter in the Koran (ie. Jesus).
2. Which Christian god are you thanking.
{I embraced Islam, only to be strangled by it, in return.
Was it the part of Islam that preached "Seek knowledge"
or do you feel more free to follow the church teachings "scientist are atheists"
{I count myself very fortunate that I was able to reject it, based on my own
personal experiences, while I was subjected to continual Islamic
influence.}
Until Judgement Day; lets see what Jesus is going to say to you on Judgement day
(Matthew 7:21-23) "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of
heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me
on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out
demons and perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you.
Away from me, you evildoers!'"
1. Only those who submit to God (In the Arabic Bible "Islam") so only Muslims go to Heaven.
2. Those who do preach in the name of Jesus, are evil doers becuase they are distracting others from the 1 true God.
3. Obey and preach in the name of God only, not Jesus, or don't you follow the Bible.
{I still am, since part of my family is Muslim, but
they at least have come to respect that I do not accept it.}
They must feel pity for you as I do.
Peace and Blessings,
Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed.