Re: Equation of One God without partners

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Subject  : Re: Equation of One God without partners

Comments:
: : Salaam brother Muhammad.

: : In Qur'an Allah says:

: : 005.075 
: : YUSUFALI: Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers
: : that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily)
: : food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away
: : from the truth! 
: : PICKTHAL: The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of
: : whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to
: : eat (earthly) food. See how We make the revelations clear for them, and see how they are turned
: : away! 
: : SHAKIR: The Messiah, son of Marium is but a messenger; messengers before him have indeed
: : passed away; and his mother was a truthful woman; they both used to eat food. See how We make
: : the communications clear to them, then behold, how they are turned away. 

: : Meaning: If Jesus (pbuh) was God, he wouldn't need to eat or drink, since God doesn't need to eat or drink (God doesn't depend on anything). And Allah adds; "See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away
: : from the truth! "

: : Salaam

: : Mustafa ASLAN

: 
: : : Father = 1.0  Son = 1.0 and Holy Spirit =1.0 {total} = 3.0

: : : Even if we use the Christian mathematical equation of "trinity", it does not add up.

: : : The Christian's technique of addition is that {Father}& {Son} & {Holy Spirit} are all "equal" and therefore 1.0

: : : Yet the Bible gives us a different equation for the numerical value of Jesus.

: : : Jesus admits  "..my Father is greater than I", {John 14:28}  This subtracts a Decimal {-0.1}

: : : "I can of mine own self do nothing...,"  {John 5:30} This subtracts another decimal {-0.1}

: : : At this point, Jesus in no longer a complete 1.0 but now a  {0.8}

: : : Now the list of figures are {Father} =1.0 {Jesus} = 0.8 and {Holy Spirit} = 1.0,  Bringing the Total to {2.8}

: : : Reading and depending on the Bible, there is a "quantity" that is overlooked by Christians which has clear value in this equation.

: : : Jesus was baptized because He had to fulfill the legal requirements for entering into the priesthood like Melchizedek (Psalm 110:4; Heb. 5:8-10;6:20)

: : : Melchizedek has no beginning and no end, no Mother and no Father {Hebrew 7:3}, now that is what I call an immaculate conception!

: : : First, Jesus sought to be a High Priest like Melchizedek.
: : : Second, Melchizedek had a more Miraculous birth, without a "mother" or "father", with no beginning or end, although Melchizedek clearly worshiped 1 God so we will give Melchizedek a value of {0.9}

: : : Now the total according to the Bible and Christian belief is 
: : : {Father} =1.0 {Jesus} = 0.8 {Holy Spirit} = 1.0 and {Melchizedek} = 0.9
: : : Bringing the Total to {3.7}

: : : There are more variables which we can add for example Genesis 32:24-30 Jacob wrestles with God. God can not win against Jacob.  

: : : This information would make Jacob a {1.1} the Father would remains at {1.0} since through out the Bible, Isaiah 43:10-11,Deuteronomy 4:39, Isaiah
: : : 45:18, Isaiah44:6, Isaiah45:6, Isaiah 45:22, Exodus 20:3, Exodus 34:14, the Bible "Clearly" States that God is {1.0} "For there is One God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus", (I Timothy 2:5).

: : : Of course I am not that good in math, there is a form of advanced mathematics in Christianity that I just can't comprehend, that is the "changing variables"  Which means, at one point in the Bible, God is given a quantity and then later on that quantity is either subtracted from or added to or in other words, "fluctuating values".

: : : For example:

: : : God is given the value and quantity of "Never sleeping", 
: : : (Psalm 121:4): "Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep."  And Yet according to trinity then Jesus is supposed to have this "Equal" power but "Jesus sleeps"

: : : How can Jesus be 100% Equal if he worshipped God as any other mortal (Luke 5:16): "And he withdrew himself into the wilderness, and prayed."

: : : Jesus was tempted by Satan for forty days (Luke 4:1-13) but in James 1:13 is said: "…for God cannot be tempted with evil.."

: : : I am confused, If the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are "Equal", why doesn't the Bible "consistently" say they are equal instead of giving them and "others" changing values.

: : : I think I will refer to the "Teachers Edition" to get the answers to this complicated question "

: : : "O people of the book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of
: : : Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was [no more or less
: : : than] a messenger of Allah, and His word, which he bestowed upon Mary, and a spirit preceding from Him: so believe in Allah and his messengers.

: : :  Say not "Three": desist!, it is better for you, for Allah is one God, Glory be to Him, Far exalted is He above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and the earth. And enough is Allah as a disposer of affairs." Koran (4):171.

: : : Now it all makes sense, the Koran clarified what the Bible is saying.  I would be going against the Bible itself if I had "unsupported inconsistent faith in trinity" because the Bible says: "For God is not the Author of confusion, but of peace.." (I Corinthians 14:33).

: : : Peace and Blessings,
: : : Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed

: Muslim friends:

: The Christian technique is not mathematical, but you're probably looking for a response. 
: God(Creator),Jesus(God comes to earth), and the Holy Spirit(within believers) are "same" not "equal" unless 
: you want to say they are equal because they are one and the same.  God is not limited to one and only one form at any given time.

: There are other things in the messages to address, but I do not have time.  Maybe someone else does.  I'll check back in 
: a day or so.

: With Christian love,
: Barbara