Re: Equation of One God without partners

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Subject  : Re: Equation of One God without partners

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: : Dear Sister Barbara,
: : I will start where you do;

: : {The Christian technique is not mathematical, but you're probably looking for a response.}

: : I do admire your persistence sister Barbara, Mathematics "is" the technique of God according to the Bible, addition, multiplication, and division are common words in the Bible.

: : "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book" {Revelation 22:18}  

: : Other Passages where the "Bible" uses the "Mathematical Addition technique":

: : Genesis 30:24 - (2) oLeviticus 2:13 oLeviticus 5:16 oLeviticus 6:5 o
: : Leviticus 6:12 oLeviticus 22:14 oLeviticus 27:13 oLeviticus 27:15 o
: : Leviticus 27:19 oLeviticus 27:31 oNumbers 5:7 oDeuteronomy 4:2 o
: : Deuteronomy 12:32 oDeuteronomy 20:8 oDeuteronomy 29:19 o2 Samuel 15:4 o2 Kings 20:6 o1 Chronicles 22:14 o2 Chronicles 28:13 oProverbs 1:5 o
: : Proverbs 9:9 oProverbs 30:6 oIsaiah 5:8 oIsaiah 29:1 oIsaiah 38:5 o
: : Jeremiah 7:21 oJeremiah 30:19 oEzekiel 16:43 oMatthew 6:27 oLuke 12:25 o
: : Galatians 3:15 o2 Peter 1:5 oRevelation 22:18

: : "He may prepare it, but the just shall put it on, and the innocent shall divide the silver." {Job 27:17} 

: : Other passages where the "Bible" uses the "Mathematical division technique":

: : Genesis 10:25 oNumbers 2:4 oNumbers 2:6 oNumbers 2:8 oNumbers 2:11 o
: : Numbers 2:13 oNumbers 2:15 oNumbers 2:19 oNumbers 2:21 oNumbers 2:23 o Numbers 2:26 oNumbers 2:28 oNumbers 2:30 oNumbers 10:15 oNumbers 10:16 o Numbers 10:19 oNumbers 10:20 oNumbers 10:23 oNumbers 10:24 oNumbers 10:26 oNumbers 10:27 oNumbers 24:23 oJoshua 22:14 o1 Chronicles 1:19 o1 Chronicles 27:1 o1 Chronicles 27:2 - (2) o1 Chronicles 27:4 - (3) o1 Chronicles 27:5 o1 Chronicles 27:6 o1 Chronicles 27:7 o1 Chronicles 27:8 o1 Chronicles 27:9 o1 Chronicles 27:10 o1 Chronicles 27:11 o1 Chronicles 27:12 o1 Chronicles 27:13 o1 Chronicles 27:14 o1 Chronicles  27:15 oEzra 10:16 oPsalms 73:4 oProverbs 26:23 oProverbs 30:1 oEzekiel 27:6 oAmos 4:3 oLuke 1:5 oLuke 1:8 oLuke 12:51 o1 Corinthians 12:25

: : 
: : "Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee." {Hebrews 6:14}

: : Other passages where the "Bible uses the Mathematical multiplication technique":

: : oGenesis 8:17 oGenesis 9:7 oExodus 7:3 oLeviticus 26:21 oDeuteronomy 
: : 7:22 o2 Samuel 24:3 o1 Chronicles 21:3 oJob 9:17 oJeremiah 46:11 o
: : Ezekiel 36:10 oNahum 3:15

: : You see sister Barbara, the Bible commonly uses the mathmatical technique, Therefore it is divine to use, Since God uses the mathmatical techniques the most.
: : Even in my original post at the end, I showed you where it is written in the Bible where it says, don't have faith in something that doesn't add up or make doesn't make sense. 

: : {God(Creator),Jesus(God comes to earth), and the Holy Spirit(within believers) are "same" not "equal" unless you want to say they are equal because they are one and the same.}  

: : Again sister Barbara, you are telling me opposing view points in regards to the Bible.

: : The Bible makes it perfectly clear that they are "different"; not "equal" Or the "Same", for example:

: : "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven."  {Luke 12: 10}

: : Here, Jesus is different than the Holy Ghost, blasphemy is forgiven against Jesus but it is not forgiven towards the Holy Ghost, if they were the "Same", wouldn't the forgiveness be the same, it's not Barbara, it is "different"

: : Also "Why do you call me Good, there is none Good Except for God alone" {Mark 10:18}

: : Jesus is not the "same" as God as Jesus clarifies, otherwise, Jesus would be also Good and would "not" correct the traveler.

: : {God is not limited to one and only one form at any given time.}

: : I agree, God is everywhere, "unseen" we can not see God according to the Bible: 

: : "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen" {1 John 4:20} 

: : "No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us." {1 John 4:12}

: : Therefore Barbara, If you are looking at a picture of Jesus on your wall, according to St. John, If you can see Jesus, then Jesus is not God.

: : {There are other things in the messages to address, but I do not have time.  Maybe someone else does.  I'll check back in 
: : a day or so.}

: : Take Your time, no rush, Heaven or Hell are Eternal

: : {With Christian love, Barbara}

: : Yes, I do sense love within you which leaves me to wonder why you are not Muslim?, what do you have against "Submitting your will to God"

: : Why feel the segregation every sunday when you can feel the Unity every Friday, when comparing the Bible and the Koran, as a woman, <A HREF="http://debate.org.uk/weboard/debate/messages/76.html"> God gives you more reasons to Feel Love in the Koran </A>

: : Furthermore, you can take responsibility for your own sins, God  "Can"
: : Forgive your sins by "asking", why fantasize that innocent Jesus had to die for us, take responsibility for your own crimes, isn't that "true" morality.

: : Who ever tells you that God does not hear you or forgive you without the "Blood" of Jesus, does not know the Mercy of God, has not understood the Bible and is preaching opposite what Jesus taught.

: : Peace and Blessings,
: : Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed


: Hi Mohamed,
: The Christian view of the Trinity is not mathematical.  That doesn't mean mathematics do not exist in the Bible.
: Are you one person?  I assume you have a soul.  I do. Being human I have limitations within each.  I have a spirit that is 
: me and a body that is me. Different but both are me(same person).  It is complex even for a human being, even more so for God.

: You mentioned Luke 12:10.  I will expand to Luke 12:1,8-10.
: (Jesus is speaking, mainly to disciples)
: 8 "Also I say unto you, whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God;
: 9 But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.
: 10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him who blasphemeth against the
: Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven".

: Jesus knew Peter was going to deny Him, but was he then lost forever?  No. Those who rejected or did not accept Jesus during His earthly 
: ministry were given an opportunity to respond to the Holy Spirit after Pentecost.  It still holds true today.  A person can 
: intellectually reject Christ, but if one day the Spirit calls him, he can then accept Christ as Savior and he is saved.  If the end for that
: person comes and he has rejected the Spirit's call(s) to faith in Christ Jesus, there is no more hope for him.
: If you curse God in spirit, the heart is hardened.

: You mentioned Mark 10:18. I recommend the passage from 17-22.
: This man and many others thought of Jesus as "good" because of His healings, miracles and kindness, but Jesus is going to show this man that
: merely obeying the laws or doing good things will not make anyone good.  God is the standard for good(perfection) so who then is good?  The only 
: way we can make up for our lacking of goodness is faith in Christ Jesus, which is what this man would have to have to sell all he has to follow Christ.  
: Up until then his faith was on his wealth and obedience to the law.
:   
: BTW, I don't have pictures on  the wall of Jesus. It's not so much I think they are wrong, but I really have no idea what He looks like, and this is my preference.
: But to respond to your mention of I John 4:12 and 20, I will also remind you of John 1:1-18.  Please read carefully. John writes both. He knows Jesus is God.  The
: glory of God will be seen in full at the judgement.
:  
: When looking things up in scripture, or in any book for that matter, one passage removed to stand alone will usually lose the meaning intended.
: In all verses I have looked up at the suggestion of my Muslim friends, I need only to read the whole chapter or maybe one or two others and Voila!  the asnwer.
: Others are locked in my mind and heart.

: You define submission to God differently than I do.
: I submitted my entire life to God when I was 9 years old.  I have strayed from time to time(sinned, being human), but He never has turned away, ever.
: He is my best friend.

: You think I don't know unity.
: My church is a great gift of God, not only my church home, but those I meet at work, school, etc. who know Christ (and here at these debates, what segregation?).
: We may not always agree on everything, but that is secondary.

: I must explain the significance of blood.
: Blood is important to God as it is described in His covenants.  I believe I have explained this before, but I forgot where.
: If you really want to know, read Exodus 24:6-8, Lev. 17:11, Mark 14:24, Hebrews 9:11-23, John 15:12,13.
: You will not understand unless you read.
: Christ's crucifixion is the ultimate demonstration of love.

: "True" morality is keeping God's covenant.  Isn't this how God defines it?

: Feel free to read all passages around those cited. 

: It's been a pleasure.
:  
: In Christian love,
: Barbara