Re: Unity against Against Satan (i.e. Materialism)

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Posted by damon on February 24, 1998 at 22:43:51:

In Reply to: Re: Unity against Against Satan (i.e. Materialism) posted by Jonathan on February 24, 1998 at 17:23:31:

: That is my point, that just saying that the scriptures have been changed is a daft argument, because I could say the same about the Qur'an.
: As for your point about different versions having or not having portions of scripture, Biblical archaeologists are amazed again and again at how accurate the scriptures we have today (damon: biased viewpoint). There are so few discrepancies that they marvel at how well the texts have been preserved down the years. Yes, there may be a the odd spelling error, but this is to be expected. Over the whole breadth of documents and ancient manuscripts, we can see where copyig errors may have been made, and the way we decide whic is correct is to take the earliest version where we can.
few discrepancies? Need to check out the skeptical review:
The Errancy of Fundamentalism Disproves the God of the Bible, By Niclas Berggren
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/niclas_berggren/funda.html

: So you're saying that Jesus was only a prophet when he said stuff about love etc and not when he claimed to be the Son of God...can a prophet lie?
I doubt Jesus claimed to be God.... that was probably added later.

: Or are you saying again that the Apostles and the other writers of the gospel were lying. If so, why? Why would they then die for what they knew to be a lie. I don't think that what you're implying adds up.
Who says they died for their beliefs? see:
How Did the Apostles Die?
http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/tsr/1997/4/4front97.html
and
Why Did the Apostles Die?
http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/tsr/1997/4/4why97.html

: No, even faith is a gift from God. Christianity is not belief in anything I do but trust in what God has done.
If my supposed faith in God does not cause a change to take place in my life then my faith is not real.
You'll need to explain this one a little more. It sounds like we can only have Faith if it is a "gift" from God, but then it is our responsibility to have it "show works". So we still have to do something...ie earn it. So it isnt really a gift? See my confusion?

: I don't have time to go into that now, but it is something that I have looked into before, and I have confirmed to myself that although the accounts do differ, the differences do not also mean contradiction. Give me a little time and I will endeavor to answer you on this point.
If you could explain the Easter accounts of the bible then you could make an easy $1000. check out:
Leave No Stone Unturned
An Easter Challenge For Christians
http://www.infidels.org/org/ffrf/lfif/stone.html

Blessings Bright
damon

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: : That is my point, that just saying that the scriptures have been changed is a daft argument, because I could say the same about the Qur'an.
: : As for your point about different versions having or not having portions of scripture, Biblical archaeologists are amazed again and again at how accurate the scriptures we have today (damon: biased viewpoint). There are so few discrepancies that they marvel at how well the texts have been preserved down the years. Yes, there may be a the odd spelling error, but this is to be expected. Over the whole breadth of documents and ancient manuscripts, we can see where copyig errors may have been made, and the way we decide whic is correct is to take the earliest version where we can.
: few discrepancies? Need to check out the skeptical review:
: The Errancy of Fundamentalism Disproves the God of the Bible, By Niclas Berggren
: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/niclas_berggren/funda.html

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: : So you're saying that Jesus was only a prophet when he said stuff about love etc and not when he claimed to be the Son of God...can a prophet lie?
: I doubt Jesus claimed to be God.... that was probably added later.

: : Or are you saying again that the Apostles and the other writers of the gospel were lying. If so, why? Why would they then die for what they knew to be a lie. I don't think that what you're implying adds up.
: Who says they died for their beliefs? see:
: How Did the Apostles Die?
: http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/tsr/1997/4/4front97.html
: and
: Why Did the Apostles Die?
: http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/tsr/1997/4/4why97.html

: : No, even faith is a gift from God. Christianity is not belief in anything I do but trust in what God has done.
: If my supposed faith in God does not cause a change to take place in my life then my faith is not real.
: You'll need to explain this one a little more. It sounds like we can only have Faith if it is a "gift" from God, but then it is our responsibility to have it "show works". So we still have to do something...ie earn it. So it isnt really a gift? See my confusion?

: : I don't have time to go into that now, but it is something that I have looked into before, and I have confirmed to myself that although the accounts do differ, the differences do not also mean contradiction. Give me a little time and I will endeavor to answer you on this point.
: If you could explain the Easter accounts of the bible then you could make an easy $1000. check out:
: Leave No Stone Unturned
: An Easter Challenge For Christians
: http://www.infidels.org/org/ffrf/lfif/stone.html

: Blessings Bright
: damon

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