Re: Unity against Against Satan (i.e. Materialism)

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Posted by damon on March 03, 1998 at 17:04:49:

In Reply to: Re: Unity against Against Satan (i.e. Materialism) posted by Jonathan on March 03, 1998 at 14:22:30:

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: : I doubt Jesus claimed to be God.... that was probably added later.

: When? Any proof, or is that just a whim?

Damon: the "proof" is the lack of proof that he was God (biblical errors), the similarity of Christianity to Mithraism (pagan religion strong in Tarsus--Pauls home), and lack of the Holy Spirit reinforcing Christ when I was a fundamental christian.

: Sorry, I must not have explained it adequately.
: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9.
Damon: the "and 'that' not of yourself" refers to salvation as the gift, not faith as the gift.... although I like your interpretation better because then it is ALL on God--if we dont have faith then it is because He didn't give it to us.

: Works come as a result of Salvation, not the other way round. It's like a tree. Salvation is the root, but the leaves are works. If there are no leaves on the tree then you wonder what's wrong with the roots.
damon: I agree with that... but I believe salvation comes from trust and faith in God.. not trust and faith in a man.

: : If you could explain the Easter accounts of the bible then you could make an easy $1000.

: Money isn't much incentive actually, because My God supplies all of my needs according to His riches in Jesus Christ my Lord. I'd rather be supported by him that you, and He's never failed me yet, and He never will, because He's nice like that, why don't you get to know him? ;-)
Damon: if not for the money, then how about to clear up a seemingly hopelessly confused account?

: Check out a book called "Who moved the Stone", I'm afraid I can't remember the name of the author, but I'm sure that it would be available at your local Christian book store.
Damon: It was written by Josh Mcdowell. I have read a few of his works and he does a good job of convincing christians that they believe the right thing--justifies a false faith. However, his arguements fall short of answering the questions of the critical thinker.
Blessings Bright
Damon

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: : : <b> I doubt Jesus claimed to be God.... that was probably added later.</b>

: : When? Any proof, or is that just a whim?

: <b>Damon: the "proof" is the lack of proof that he was God (biblical errors), the similarity of Christianity to Mithraism (pagan religion strong in Tarsus--Pauls home), and lack of the Holy Spirit reinforcing Christ when I was a fundamental christian.</b>

: : Sorry, I must not have explained it adequately.
: : <i>For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works lest any man should boast.</i> Ephesians 2:8-9.
: <b> Damon: the "and 'that' not of yourself" refers to salvation as the gift, not faith as the gift.... although I like your interpretation better because then it is ALL on God--if we dont have faith then it is because He didn't give it to us. </b>

: : Works come as a result of Salvation, not the other way round. It's like a tree. Salvation is the root, but the leaves are works. If there are no leaves on the tree then you wonder what's wrong with the roots.
: <b> damon: I agree with that... but I believe salvation comes from trust and faith in God.. not trust and faith in a man.</b>

: : : <b>If you could explain the Easter accounts of the bible then you could make an easy $1000.  </b>

: : Money isn't much incentive actually, because My God supplies all of my needs according to His riches in Jesus Christ my Lord. I'd rather be supported by him that you, and He's never failed me yet, and He never will, because He's nice like that, why don't you get to know him? ;-)
: <b> Damon: if not for the money, then how about to clear up a seemingly hopelessly confused account?</b>

: : Check out a book called "Who moved the Stone", I'm afraid I can't remember the name of the author, but I'm sure that it would be available at your local Christian book store.
: <b>Damon: It was written by Josh Mcdowell.  I have read a few of his works and he does a good job of convincing christians that they believe the right thing--justifies a false faith.  However, his arguements fall short of answering the questions of the critical thinker. 
: Blessings Bright
: Damon</b>

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