Re: What Does the Bible Say about God.

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Posted by Qais Ali on November 21, 1997 at 05:09:37:

In Reply to: Re: What Does the Bible Say about God. posted by Jochen Katz on November 21, 1997 at 01:35:30:

In the Name of Allah Most Gracious Most Merciful

"Say, who sent down the Book that Moses brought as a light and a guidance to people? You make it into sheets of paper showing some of them and concealing much." (6:91)

Katz you stated :
>: Where does it say anywhere that God NEEDED rest? It says he rested - and the
: Hebrew word just means "ceased from working" (from the work of creation -
: obviously he continues to uphold all creation and nothing would be alive if
: God were to withdraw).<<

True it doesnt stated God Needed rest, but what does it say after rest? GOD WAS REFRESHED The "sabbath" in the bible is a standing Insult to God.

You further stated :
>> But your misunderstanding is based on seeking for verses you can twist, instead of reading all of God's revelation. Here some Mohamed seems to have missed Basically, Muhammad only listened well to the Jews in Mecca and Medina. <<

Ahh, Dear Katz, its just like cafeteria, with most christians, they pick and choose. To add what Mr. Ghanoum was stating there are many passages which you brushed through which speak of
God being uncognizant and/or is not eternally aware

Psalms 44:23 "Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever."

A Sleepy God?

We read further in Psalms When God finally becomes cognizant attentive and aware, He acts like a drunkard :

Psalms 78:65 "Then the LORD awaked as one out of sleep, and like a mighty man that shouteth by reason of wine."

"Allah! there is no god but He, the Living, the Sustainer and Protector. Neither slumber nor sleep overtake Him. His are all things in the heavens and the earth. Who can intercede in His presence except as He permits? He knows what is before and behind them. Nor do they encompass aught of His knowledge except as He wills. His throne does extend over the heavens and the earth and He feels no fatigue in preserving them. For He is the Most High, the Supreme."
The noble Qur'an, Al-Baqarah(2):255

In fact we read in Genesis 32:24-30 that Jacob (pbuh) wrestles with God. God can not win against Jacob (pbuh) ! ! Frankly we muslims dont pray to a God that loses wrestling match ups to his prophets.

Some will claim "Oh wait that was a angel!" Did Jacob (pbuh) say "I have seen the angel of God"? Did he say "I have seen the light of God" or some other statement that might have had an abstract meaning? No! He said "I have seen God" Further, Jacob didnt say he saw the face of the angel, but the face of God (peni-el).

Here are some more ill befitting qualities of God ive collected in the "Holey" bible.

Since Katz, quoted in defense from the book of Isaiah, I deem i shall take the following from the same book..

A "HISSING" GOD - Isaiah 5:26, (also Zech. 10:8)
A "ROARING" GOD -Isaiah 42:13 (also Jer. 25:30)
A "BARBER" GOD - Isaiah 7:20

etc.. etc..

By the way, as the myth of the Quran supposedly confirming the Bible is unchanged, which was started by Mr. Ibrahim (his article is on your web page) Here is my rebuttal Click Here

Btw, You quoted :
>>{Heb. 5:5} "God said to Jesus,'You are my son today I have begotten you" <<

Joch, have you noticed that the name of the author, which is invariably mentioned in the title (heading) of every Epistle, is conspicuously missing in the Hebrews....also The Epistle to the Hebrews is not listed in the 6th century list of the manuscripts called Codex Claromon. This obviously leads to the suspicion that it could have been written at a later date. Martin Luther suggested that Apollos was the author...Tertullian said that Hebrews was a letter of Barnabas...Adolf Harnack and J. Rendel Harris speculated that it was written by Priscilla.

God's blessing's be on those who follow the right path.

-Qais Ali

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: In the Name of Allah Most Gracious Most Merciful

: "Say, who sent down the Book that Moses brought as a light and a guidance to people? You make it into sheets of paper showing some of them and concealing much." (6:91)

: Katz you stated :
: >: Where does it say anywhere that God NEEDED rest? It says he rested - and the
: : Hebrew word just means "ceased from working" (from the work of creation -
: : obviously he continues to uphold all creation and nothing would be alive if
: : God were to withdraw).<<

: True it doesnt stated God Needed rest, but what does it say after rest? GOD WAS REFRESHED The "sabbath" in the bible is a standing Insult to God.

: You further stated :
: >> But your misunderstanding is based on seeking for verses you can twist, instead of reading all of God's revelation. Here some Mohamed seems to have missed Basically, Muhammad only listened well to the Jews in Mecca and Medina. <<

: Ahh, Dear Katz, its just like cafeteria, with most christians, they pick and choose. To add what Mr. Ghanoum was stating there are many passages which you brushed through which speak of
: God being uncognizant and/or is not eternally aware

: Psalms 44:23 "Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever."

: A Sleepy God?

: We read further in Psalms When God finally becomes cognizant attentive and aware, He acts like a drunkard :

: Psalms 78:65 "Then the LORD awaked as one out of sleep, and like a mighty man that shouteth by reason of wine."

:
: "Allah! there is no god but He, the Living, the Sustainer and Protector. Neither slumber nor sleep overtake Him. His are all things in the heavens and the earth. Who can intercede in His presence except as He permits? He knows what is before and behind them. Nor do they encompass aught of His knowledge except as He wills. His throne does extend over the heavens and the earth and He feels no fatigue in preserving them. For He is the Most High, the Supreme."
: The noble Qur'an, Al-Baqarah(2):255

:
: In fact we read in Genesis 32:24-30 that Jacob (pbuh) wrestles with God. God can not win against Jacob (pbuh) ! ! Frankly we muslims dont pray to a God that loses wrestling match ups to his prophets.

: Some will claim "Oh wait that was a angel!" Did Jacob (pbuh) say "I have seen the angel of God"? Did he say "I have seen the light of God" or some other statement that might have had an abstract meaning? No! He said "I have seen God" Further, Jacob didnt say he saw the face of the angel, but the face of God (peni-el).

: Here are some more ill befitting qualities of God ive collected in the "Holey" bible.

: Since Katz, quoted in defense from the book of Isaiah, I deem i shall take the following from the same book..

: A "HISSING" GOD - Isaiah 5:26, (also Zech. 10:8)
: A "ROARING" GOD -Isaiah 42:13 (also Jer. 25:30)
: A "BARBER" GOD - Isaiah 7:20

: etc.. etc..

: By the way, as the myth of the Quran supposedly confirming the Bible is unchanged, which was started by Mr. Ibrahim (his article is on your web page) Here is my rebuttal <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/AhmdDedat2/uchange.htm"> Click Here</A>

: Btw, You quoted :
: >>{Heb. 5:5} "God said to Jesus,'You are my son today I have begotten you" <<

: Joch, have you noticed that the name of the author, which is invariably mentioned in the title (heading) of every Epistle, is conspicuously missing in the Hebrews....also The Epistle to the Hebrews is not listed in the 6th century list of the manuscripts called Codex Claromon. This obviously leads to the suspicion that it could have been written at a later date. Martin Luther suggested that Apollos was the author...Tertullian said that Hebrews was a letter of Barnabas...Adolf Harnack and J. Rendel Harris speculated that it was written by Priscilla.

: God's blessing's be on those who follow the right path.

: -Qais Ali

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