Re: What Does the Bible Say about God.

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Subject  : Re: What Does the Bible Say about God.

Comments:
: Dear Leesa,

: I was amazed at the quality and depth of your response. It was sure one of
: the best Muslim articles I have ever seen in regard to understanding the 
: Bible. Are you from a Christian background or have you learned to read 
: the Bible and understand it in this way even though you were brought up as
: a Muslim?

: I think you would be a great addition to our Muslim/Christian dialog mailing
: list. It would be nice to dialog more with people who have already some 
: understanding. Have a look at the <A HREF="http://debate.org.uk/mcd/">archive.</A>

: I could hardly have given a better response to Mohamed than you did.
: I agree with you about 90% [obviously not in everything, since I don't 
: agree with the Qur'an, but as far as your statements about the Bible go, 
: you have explained very well indeed].

: So, let me just add a few things, complementing, not contradicting
: you exposition. 

: From here on, it is really more a response to Mohamed than to you, 
: since I don't think you will be too surprised at these verses.

: So, let me close with:

: Peace to you Leesa, may the Lord bless you.

: Jochen 

: Mohamed, now to you:

: : : {Exo. 31:17} "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth 
: : : and on the seventh day he Rested, and was Refreshed."

: : : {Koran 50:38} "We created the heavens and the earth 
: : : and all between them in six days, nor did any sense of weariness touch us."

: : : The question to Christians is simple, do you choose as a Protector, 
: : : "a God that needs to Rest", or a "God that does Not need Rest".

: Where does it say anywhere that God NEEDED rest? It says he rested - and the
: Hebrew word just means "ceased from working" (from the work of creation -
: obviously he continues to uphold all creation and nothing would be alive if
: God were to withdraw).

: But your misunderstanding is based on seeking for verses you can twist,
: instead of reading all of God's revelation. Here some Mohamed seems to have 
: missed:

: Isaiah 40:25-30<UL>
:   "To whom will you compare me? Or who is my equal?" says the Holy One.
:   Lift your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? 
:   He who brings out the starry host one by one, and calls them each by name. 
:   Because of his great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing. 
:   Why do you say, O Jacob, and complain, O Israel, 
:   "My way is hidden from the LORD; my cause is disregarded by my God"? 
:   Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God,
:   the Creator of the ends of the earth. 
:   <B>He will not grow tired or weary,</B> and his understanding no one can fathom. 
: </UL>
: As you see, here God speaks again about his work of creation and 
: clearly repudiates the notion that this has cased him to grow tired.

: Another passage is in Psalm 121 <UL>
: 1  I lift up my eyes to the hills-- where does my help come from? 
: 2  My help comes from the LORD, the Maker of heaven and earth. 
: 3  He will not let your foot slip-- he who watches over you will not slumber; 
: 4  indeed, he who watches over Israel will <B>neither slumber nor sleep.</B>
: 5  The LORD watches over you-- the LORD is your shade at your right hand; 
: 6  the sun will not harm you by day, nor the moon by night.
: 7  The LORD will keep you from all harm-- he will watch over your life; 
: 8  the LORD will watch over your coming and going both now and forevermore.
: </UL>

: Basically, Muhammad only listened well to the Jews in Mecca and Medina. 
: That God isn't tired and that God doesn't sleep was well known long 
: before Muhammad. The Qur'an is bringing nothing new in this respect.

: And similar quotations could be given for the rest of these "differences" 
: between Bible and Qur'an. But I will leave it to Mohamed to find the 
: passages. He is in need to read for himself and search out the word of God. 
: It is not good to spoonfeed everything.

: : : {Heb. 5:5} "God said to Jesus,'You are my son today I have begotten you"  

: Ah, one comment here though. In regard to WHAT point in time does
: this verse refer? Look it up. Be surprised. It refers to the resurrection.
: And Psalm 2:7 is a coronation psalm. Because his resurrection / ascension is
: the time when Jesus returns to his kingly power. 

: Obviously, this "begetting" has absolutely nothing to do with his
: birth, Jesus was 33 years old at his death and resurrection. And David also
: became king not at the time when he was physically begotten.
:  
: : : Do you Christians believe in a God that "Sires" children {i.e. David and Jesus}, 

: No. And I hope that is not too great a disappointment, even though it takes away
: one of your most dear points of ridicule.

: : : Peace and Blessings,
: : : Your Bother in Islam: Mohamed.

: This is something I don't understand. How can you attack the holy word of God
: and then sign with "peace and blessings" and with "your brother"?
: I find this quite hypocritical. Or otherwise:
: Who needs enemies when he has a brother like you?