Re: catholic women and muslim men

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: Hi Anja,

: You replied:

: : I want to begin this reply with a remark. In Islam it is a grave sin to give misinformation
: : especially about God`s religion. If I don`t know about something for sure, I should at least
: : state the fact of being uncertain, or stay silent about it.

: I protest against the insinuation that I behaved different. That's impertinence! I is factual that
: you confirm what I wrote. Let's look:

: : Christian wives of Muslim men have the right to practise their faith freely.

: That's only true in rather narrow limits. Additionally, you seem unable to differentiate between
: the legal and the factual situation.

: : The husband agrees on this by marrying her as a Christian woman.

: To say it more clearly: The limits of this "practising her faith freely", whether they are more
: wide or more narrow, have to be detailed in a individual marriage contract. Otherwise those
: limits are rather unpleasant for the non-Muslim wife.

: : He even has to take his Christian
: : wife to church once a week, if she doesn`t have any other possibility to get there, and to
: : attend the service is part of her religious life.

: Again you only speak about the legal side of the matter and don't take notice of the factual
: side. But even concerning the legal situation: The husband according to Islamic Law can
: forestall the wive to have contact with a priest -- as a male, not cognate to her -- in for
: instance confession. That is part of her religious life, too.

: : A Muslim husband can leave by will up to 1/3 of his inheritance to his wife.

: And if he "forgot", she gets nothing, as I said.

: : About the child kidnapping, that one also works vice versa.

: No, it doesn't work vice versa. I don't know the situation in the USA, though I think it is not
: different from Germany: Both parents have parental authority over their children, and if one of
: the parents of different citizenship complains about child kidnapping by his/her wife/husband
: the case will be decided by the courts according to International Law. Several Muslim
: countries behave different.

: : give misinformation the
: : children from whom? What Muslim husband would be able to get his children out of what
: : Western country legally?

: Are you really so naive? There are many situations in which he can get the children out of
: Western countries legally. But it is no problem to get them out illegally. By the way, in many --
: I think most -- Islamic countries the wife cannot go abroad herself without consent of her
: husband, not to say go abroad with her children.

: : There is no difference on that one.

: On the contrary.

: : I do think the marriage contract is a good idea though. In Islam marriage is generally a
: : contract.

: The point is not that marriage is a contract per se -- which is trivial --, but that Christina would
: be well advised to secure special stipulations in her favour in a written contract which is
: respected not only by American courts, but by the land of her possible husband, too.

: : Also the question of what religion the children take is the same from either viewpoint.
: : Yes, Muslim men are obliged to raise their children as Muslims.

: That's for sure. And if they don't abide, it's tantamount to apostacy.

: : Catholics are obliged by
: : the church to raise their children Catholics in marriages with non Catholics.

: That was the situation according to Canonical Law some decades ago. In the meantime the
: attitude of the Catholic Church seems to have softened, at least locally. I am no expert in this
: matter. The real difference is that those parents who didn't or don't abide may have
: committed a serious sin -- and that's all.

: : That Muslims leaving Islam will be "usual" killed by their fellow Muslims isn`t right, neither
: : according to Islamic law nor common happening.

: I didn't say that those leaving Islam or doing things rated as equivalent to leaving Islam
: "usually" will be killed, factually. Even Salman Roushdie is still alive, as you know. I said --
: and that is correct and no news -- that Islamic Law stipulates that the male, adult and sane
: apostate, who does not repent and revert, has to be killed. Normally it's the duty of the state
: authorities, but if they are negligent, individual Muslims are entitled and depending on
: circumstances even obliged to kill the "guilty". This penalty applies also to those who made
: the Muslim apostacise, for instance a priest who baptized him. Similarly the non-Muslim wife
: can be punished, if her child follows her religion due to her influence.

: : Look around in the Western countries.
: : There are even Pakistani churches in the states. Christian missionaries focus on the
: : second generation immigrant Muslims. Pity! But the converts are living anyhow.

: It looks like as you were rather happy with their plight, that they have to flee to Western
: countries and to apply for asylum there.

: : Christoph, You say:
: : "Fortunately, the father was dead, already, when the mullahs seized power in Iran"

: Yes, it was his fortune. Otherwise it could have ended rather unfortunate for him.

: Kind regards,
: Christoph Heger