Re: Isaac and Ishmael (continued from in response to Jochen thread)

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Posted by Mohamed Ghounem on February 18, 1998 at 22:07:14:

In Reply to: Re: Isaac and Ishmael (continued from in response to Jochen thread) posted by Malakh on February 18, 1998 at 01:48:39:

Dear Brother Malakh, Hi

I have shown you mathmatically that Ishmael was the son of Abraham who was to be sacraficed:

http://debate.org.uk/weboard/debate/messages/991.html

I have shown you morally that Ishmael is a valid son and therefore Isaac was "not" the only begotten son, Ishmael was at the time of the sacrafice:

http://debate.org.uk/weboard/debate/messages/1052.html

I have shown you scriptually that Ishmael is a lagitamate son of Abraham, even after Abraham died:

Genesis 25:9 "Then his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him (Abraham) in *the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the
son of Zohar the Hittite, facing Mamre,"

Genesis 25:12 "Now these are the records of the generations of *Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's
maid, bore to Abraham;"

You are contradicting even your own posts, first you claimed that Ishmael was no longer a son at all, now you are saying that Ishmael was less of a son.

Even if Ishmael (Peace and Blessings be upon him) was a quater of a son, he is still a son and therefore when it is said "only begotten son" it is refering to Ishmael which was changed to Isaac.

You have crossed the boundries of a logical discussion, "compareing Jesus to Isaac"? kindly stay within the factual & logical historical facts.

You claim that once the mother is out of the home, the son is no longer a lagitamate son, have you upon my request, asked your preacher if this is true? Are children of divorsed parents no longer lagitamate children?

The topic about polygomy and Muhammad, I as time permits will open later, furthermore, kindly stop quoteing Paul, I am looking discuss the teachings of true teachers, Paul is a false teacher:

http://debate.org.uk/weboard/debate/messages/707.html

Without the writings of Pual, you would follow the Law, Believe Jesus was here to clarify the Law, not to be sacraficed, and Allah is Merciful and Forgiving.

Peace and Blessings,
Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed

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Comments:
: Dear Brother Malakh, Hi

: I have shown you mathmatically that Ishmael was the son of Abraham who was to be sacraficed:

: http://debate.org.uk/weboard/debate/messages/991.html

: I have shown you morally that Ishmael is a valid son and therefore Isaac was "not" the only begotten son, Ishmael was at the time of the sacrafice:

: http://debate.org.uk/weboard/debate/messages/1052.html

: 
: I have shown you scriptually that Ishmael is a lagitamate son of Abraham, even after Abraham died:

: Genesis 25:9 "Then his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him (Abraham) in *the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the
: son of Zohar the Hittite, facing Mamre,"

: Genesis 25:12 "Now these are the records of the generations of *Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's
: maid, bore to Abraham;" 

: 
: You are contradicting even your own posts, first you claimed that Ishmael was no longer a son at all, now you are saying that Ishmael was less of a son.

: Even if Ishmael (Peace and Blessings be upon him) was a quater of a son, he is still a son and therefore when it is said "only begotten son" it is refering to Ishmael which was changed to Isaac.

: You have crossed the boundries of a logical discussion, "compareing Jesus to Isaac"? kindly stay within the factual & logical historical facts.

: You claim that once the mother is out of the home, the son is no longer a lagitamate son, have you upon my request, asked your preacher if this is true?  Are children of divorsed parents no longer lagitamate children?

: The topic about polygomy and Muhammad, I as time permits will open later, furthermore, kindly stop quoteing Paul, I am looking discuss the teachings of true teachers, Paul is a false teacher:

: http://debate.org.uk/weboard/debate/messages/707.html

: Without the writings of Pual, you would follow the Law, Believe Jesus was here to clarify the Law, not to be sacraficed, and Allah is Merciful and Forgiving.

: Peace and Blessings,
: Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed

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