Re: Contradictions in the Qur'an?

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: 1.you admit the verse in question is not a contradiction;

: {I thank you for pointing out that this might be a bit imprecise language.  It is certainly not implying "on the boundary of", instead "inside" is probably the most accurate since our verse does talk about "location".} 

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: 2. you say;

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: {Would that not be a fair evaluation of the complete data?)
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: You picked out a verse that is not specific as to where the moon is and then claim it is a contradiction by adding the word _middle_ and then replying again useing the word Fehin to mean inside because your Arabic friends say so while scholars say the word means therein, in any case either way it does not specify where the moon is so then lets evaluate the complete data which I assume you must have "accedantly" overlooked:
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: Here is complete data as far as where the moon is according to Islamic teachings:



: Volume 6, Book 60, Number 105: 

:      Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: 

:      During the lifetime of the Prophet some people said, : O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of
:      Resurrection?" The Prophet said, "Yes; do you have any difficulty in seeing the sun at midday when it is bright
:      and there is no cloud in the sky?" They replied, "No." He said, "Do you have any difficulty in seeing the moon on
:      a full moon night when it is bright and there is no cloud in the sky?" They replied, "No."


: >To find the answer we need to study others related verses because in =
: >many cases the Qur'an explains its verse itself (instead of contradict 
: =
: >each other). This is the nature of the Qur=92an. In Surah Al Furqan =
: >25.61 Allah said,
: >
: >"Blessed is He Who made constellations in the skies, and placed therein 
: =
: >a Lamp and a Moon giving light". (Trans. Yusuf Ali)=20
: >
: >"Blessed be He Who hath placed in the heaven mansions of the stars, and 
: =
: >hath placed therein a great lamp and a moon giving light" (Trans. =
: >Pickthal)
: >
: >"Blessed is He Who made the constellations in the heavens and made =
: >therein a lamp and a shining moon". (Shakir)=20
: >
: >In this verse the Qur'an uses a singular form of word heavens (samaa) =
: >[not in the first verse where samaawaat (plural) was used] to indicate 
: =
: >Allah specifically refer to ONLY one of the heavens where the =
: >constellations are placed. The word (samaa -singular) used in this 
: verse =
: >is significant as it shows us that the moon, the sun and the =
: >constellations are all in the same heavens. But we still don't know =
: >which heavens until we investigate the following verse (Sura AsSaaffat 
: =
: >37:6);
: >
: >"We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars" =
: >(Trans. Yusuf Ali),=20
: >
: >"Lo! We have adorned the lowest heaven with an ornament, the planets" =
: >(Pickthal)
: >
: >"Surely We have adorned the nearest heaven with an adornment, the 
: stars" =
: >(Shakir)=20
: >
: >In this verse Allah clearly stated that the stars are in the lowest =
: >heavens. Therefore, the moon and the sun should also place in the 
: lowest =
: >heavens as mentioned in Surah 25:61.
: >
: by brother MP Abdullah.


: Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532s: 

:      Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri: 

:      We said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He said, "Do you have any
:      difficulty in seeing the sun and the moon when the sky is clear?" We said, "No." He said, "So you will have no
:      difficulty in seeing your Lord on that Day as you have no difficulty in seeing the sun and the moon (in a clear
:      sky)."



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: On the day of judgement Allah says where the moon's location

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: YUSUFALI: And the sun and moon are joined together,- 


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: YUSUFALI: It is He Who made the sun to be a shining glory and the moon to be a light (of beauty), and measured out
: stages for her; that ye might know the number of years and the count (of time). Nowise did Allah create this but in truth and
: righteousness. (Thus) doth He explain His Signs in detail, for those who understand. 
: PICKTHAL: He it is Who appointed the sun a splendour and the moon a light, and measured for her stages, that ye might
: know the number of the years, and the reckoning. Allah created not (all) that save in truth. He detaileth the revelations for
: people who have knowledge. 

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: I dont see the confusion that you are suggesting.

: In the verse you quoted, your right in saying that it is not
: specific as to where exactly the moon is since it says
: "the moon is therein", or "among" or "in the "midst" etc..

: If this was the only Islamic writing as far as the 
: location of the moon, then I see the justification
: for your confusion, but you know and I know that it is not
: and The Koran and Hadith are very specific in other
: verses and "sayings of the prophet" as to where the moon is.

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: If I said "the moon is amoung the stars" and I said no more about
: the location of the moon, then you can speculate and as usual try to
: build a contradiction. 

: But to attempt to build a contradiction or in your case speculate confusion, knowing well that other writings are specific as to where the moon is: then is evidence of intensional "twisting of words" which as you put it is malicious towards anyone seeking truth.

: The Bible says lieing or decieveing (hiding truth) is equal to murder and stealing, do you consider this when you are researching and writing your false claims about Islam?

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: Peace and Blessings,
: Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed