Posted by Mohamed Ghounem on March 18, 1998 at 13:55:51:
In Reply to: Re: catholic women and muslim men posted by Barbara on March 18, 1998 at 06:07:12:
Dear sister Barbara
thank you for your response
*****Barb
He makes some valid points in the page.
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Mohamed
Such as?
: Yet what makes me so amused is that you don't compare it to the Bible, why is that? Oh, I remember why, :-) is it because
the Bible, Widows do Not Inherit Any Property or Wealth, Only men do{Numbers 27:1-11}
*****Barb
Was the inheritance guideline in the Bible the most to be given to daughters, or the least allowed? Were there no other laws that made provision for women?
And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job: and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren. Job 42:15.
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Mohamed
That sister Barbara was a incedent, not a Commandment sent down by God through Moses, if you want to start talking about incedents, I can justify baby killing and mass genocide according to the Bible Click Here
All sorts of things can be justified if we do as you do and refer to incedents, the Jews and Christians weren't so disregaurding of scripture as Christians of today 'modern Christians' who take incedents as laws if it is easier or more favorable to follow rather then the Direct Commadment, that is what you do sister Barbara.
The COMMANDMENT according to the Bible is that wife gets NOTHING
So Moses brought their case before the LORD and the LORD said to him, "What Zelophehad's daughters are saying is right. You must certainly give them property as an inheritance among their father's relatives and turn their father's inheritance over to them.
"Say to the Israelites, `If a man dies and leaves no son, turn his inheritance over to his daughter. If he has no daughter, give his inheritance to his brothers. If he has no brothers, give his inheritance to his father's brothers.
If his father had no brothers, give his inheritance to the nearest relative in his clan, that he may possess it. This is to be a legal requirement for the Israelites, as the LORD commanded Moses.'"
Numbers 27:5-11
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Mohamed:
: No wonder you want the women to remain Christian, it's because you want to keep all their money, you want to make sure the son get it all and not the daughter, you want to make sure the widow is dependant on the greedy son that may decide to let her starve.
*****Barb
I don't know of any Christian family that even considers leaving out a daughter.
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Mohamed:
You are confusing the society norm laws with the Biblical laws, just another one of Many that show how you left the Bible, if you like it so much, Why don't you Follow it??
Have you asked your preacher what the Law of inheratence is, try asking a Orthadox church in comparison to one of those corner churches.
You are knowingly sinning against the Teachings in the Bible. Jesus did not come to destroy the Laws and Jesus says "not one dot is to be changed from the Law"
*****Barb
They forgot to read Acts 6:1-5, then, along with the verse in Matthew I mentioned, and many others. This is a weakness in human beings, not the Bible.
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Mohamed:
Acts 6:1-5 does not say women get inheritance rights, it only reflects what I said, that widows prior to Islam were the worst people to be, as a matter of fact, if you go alittle further down Acts 6:11 reflects that if you do not follow the Laws then you are commiting Blasphamey angainst Moses and God!
******Barb
I went to this page and I found it to be very misleading. It is selective about what verses it chooses to say the least, and the interpretations attributed to Christianity look intentionally wrong they are so off-base.
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Mohamed:
If only you can be as equally judging, a quality I have yet to see in you, you said in the begining; {*****Barb He makes some valid points in the page.}
You said a very interesting word "selective". Are you admitting that the Bible can be bent either way?
You also said "off-base", how can it be off base if it came straight from your Bible, some from your favorite Bible author 'Paul'
Explain to me how these are off-base:
Genesis 3:16 "To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."
Paul writes: "women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says." 1 Corinthians 14:34
Paul does not say women should not chat or gossip in church, Paul says straight forward "..REMAIN SILENT..THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK...AS THE LAW SAYS" Are you commiting Blasphemy by speaking in church? let alone singing :-)
Before you deny this and tell me it is out of context, 'Paul' makes it PERFECTLY CLEAR
"If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church." 1 Corinthians 14:35
If you want to know how to be saved, DO NOT ASK IN CHURCH, wait until you get home OUT OF CHURCH "...FOR IT IS DISGRACEFUL (does that mean "without Grace?) FOR A WOMAN TO SPEAK IN CHURCH"
Are all those women in church without grace on Sundays for speaking in church, how then can they claim to feel grace when singing if 'Paul' says they are WITHOUT GRACE?
Why do you follow what 'Paul' teaches about Jesus was a sacrafice and the Law of Moses is a curse' while you don't follow the rest of what 'Paul' teaches "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."1 Timothy 2:12?
Guess what sister Barbara, your not saved through the blood of Christ according to 'Paul', your saved through childbearing "Yet woman will be saved through bearing children, if she continues in faith and love and holiness, with modesty." 1 Timothy 2:15 as long as blood is involed, 'Paul' says it will save you. Is Jesus according to 'Paul' still the ONLY way to salvation? NOT IF YOUR A WOMAN.
******Barb
West does not mean Christian.
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Mohamed:
Why then do you follow the Western Laws over the Christian Laws?
*****Barb
I think this is very unfair. How does Jochen hide the truth of what the Bible says, when I can read it for myself and so can anyone else?
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Mohamed:
How many can read it objectively and critically? I read the Bible the same way I read the Qur'an, do you think Jochen does that? Ofcourse not as shown above, Does Jochen equally evaluate the Bible in comparison to the Qur'an? No, Jochen evalutes the Qur'an to Western Laws which it matchs very well.
I ask you, according to the Bible and the Qur'an, do you have more rights as a Christian woman or a Muslim woman?
Peace and Blessings,
Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed.