Re: Jochen's commitment to God's Truth? #1 and #2

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Posted by Ryan on March 30, 1998 at 09:05:06:

In Reply to: Re: Jochen's commitment to God's Truth? #1 and #2 posted by Mohamed Ghounem on March 28, 1998 at 16:40:18:

: Dear brother Ryan,

: My deep humble apologies, I repent for suggesting that you accuse me of deciptive tactics.

Brother Mohamed,

My apologies to you as well regarding my harsh tone. I am
terribly sorry. I have gone before my Lord asking him to forgive
me as well. However I will have to ask from you for your
forgiveness first - will you forgive me as well? Thank you.

: My confusion as to your intent is explainable:
: For example: you say 'Jeffrey is right in what he said and not what you paint him to have said.' then your practically repeating what he is saying.
: Here you are telling Me that what Jeffrey said to Me is *right*, the way I interprate that is that when Jeffery said ' You've heard of smokescreens? Your post was full of it.'
: So when you agree that Jeffery is right that I use smokescreens/deciptive tactics, then I think you are also accuseing me of smoke screens since you State that Jeffery is right.

Mohamed, the words which you quoted me as saying came AFTER my
original post. So the seeming "agreement" was not the source of
confusion with respect to your first respond to me. BUT Mohamed,
I am willing to drop all this and start on a clean slate. I
realise there is no point bickering. But I need your help, all
you have to do is to agree to do so. I extend this invitation
to you. Once this is done and we have nothing to bog us down,
we can move on to other serious discussions.

: The same thing with your previous post, When Mike accused me of deceptive tactics, your reply to me was to give me the dictionary meaning and you said 'you probably find it hard to understand the thrust of Mike's argument but to make it a little easier perhaps you would like to look at the following document about logical fallacies etc. (or Hey Mike, make it easier would ya? :) )'
: I also understood this to mean that you are in agreement with Mike's claims, this understanding is confirmed by your finnal statement; 'Even after Mike, Jeff and Malakh's telling you that you're wrong, you still won't own up to it. There is absolutely no point talking to a brick wall.'
: From this statement of yours, your telling me that they said something true and I should react to it and because I have not reacted to their claims, I am a brick wall.

Ok I feel it is proper to clarify what I said though on my side,
it doesn't really matter (does it?) since I have agreed to forgive
you. I really meant what I said that you may have trouble
understanding and I wanted to help with that. Nevertheless, I
did not when I wrote that, thought of you as deceptive. I hope
this has cleared the air.

It is quite late now for me over here and I have deleted the rest
of the post because to me, it doesn't really matter anymore. Shall
we be friends?

I look forward to hearing from you again,

May the love of God so fill your heart till you're overcomed!

Ryan

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: : Dear brother Ryan,

: : My deep humble apologies, I repent for suggesting that you accuse me of deciptive tactics.

: Brother Mohamed,

: My apologies to you as well regarding my harsh tone. I am
: terribly sorry. I have gone before my Lord asking him to forgive
: me as well. However I will have to ask from you for your
: forgiveness first - will you forgive me as well? Thank you.

: : My confusion as to your intent is explainable:
: : For example: you say 'Jeffrey is right in what he said and not what you paint him to have said.' then your practically repeating what he is saying.
: : Here you are telling Me that what Jeffrey said to Me is *right*, the way I interprate that is that when Jeffery said ' You've heard of smokescreens? Your post was full of it.'
: : So when you agree that Jeffery is right that I use smokescreens/deciptive tactics, then I think you are also accuseing me of smoke screens since you State that Jeffery is right.

: Mohamed, the words which you quoted me as saying came AFTER my
: original post. So the seeming "agreement" was not the source of
: confusion with respect to your first respond to me. BUT Mohamed,
: I am willing to drop all this and start on a clean slate. I
: realise there is no point bickering. But I need your help, all
: you have to do is to agree to do so. I extend this invitation
: to you. Once this is done and we have nothing to bog us down,
: we can move on to other serious discussions.

: : The same thing with your previous post, When Mike accused me of deceptive tactics, your reply to me was to give me the dictionary meaning and you said 'you probably find it hard to understand the thrust of Mike's argument but to make it a little easier perhaps you would like to look at the following document about logical fallacies etc. (or Hey Mike, make it easier would ya? :) )'
: : I also understood this to mean that you are in agreement with Mike's claims, this understanding is confirmed by your finnal statement; 'Even after Mike, Jeff and Malakh's telling you that you're wrong, you still won't own up to it. There is absolutely no point talking to a brick wall.'
: : From this statement of yours, your telling me that they said something true and I should react to it and because I have not reacted to their claims, I am a brick wall.

: Ok I feel it is proper to clarify what I said though on my side,
: it doesn't really matter (does it?) since I have agreed to forgive
: you. I really meant what I said that you may have trouble
: understanding and I wanted to help with that. Nevertheless, I
: did not when I wrote that, thought of you as deceptive. I hope
: this has cleared the air.

: It is quite late now for me over here and I have deleted the rest
: of the post because to me, it doesn't really matter anymore. Shall
: we be friends?

: I look forward to hearing from you again,

: May the love of God so fill your heart till you're overcomed!

: Ryan

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