Re: catholic women and muslim men

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Posted by Mohamed Ghounem on March 19, 1998 at 12:52:36:

In Reply to: Re: catholic women and muslim men posted by Jochen Katz on March 19, 1998 at 05:05:29:

Dear Brother Jochen,
I am honored by your response,
I will start where you do;

Jochen;
Isn't it great? The fact that I quote Al-Kadhi's response on my pages
and have a link to his larger response is now interpreted as "deliberate deception"?

Mohamed:
There is no reason to get all upset, kindly allow me to explain :-)

You take his response and say; 'Thank you Mr. Al-Kadhi for confirming exactly what I claimed in my article. There are cases in which the shares assigned by the Qur'an overshoot the available estate'

That is "hideing the Truth about his response" a deciption. Mr Al-Kadhi clearly explained that the Qur'an does not go into detail about "if a man had 17 sons and 3 daughters, how do you divide the property" Mr. Al-Kadhi explained that those details are in the Hadith(Sayings of the Prophet).

The Qur'an is precise and to the point, you try to add amounts of daughters and then say it won't add up, and then say Mr. Al-Kadhi confirms this is a out right lie.

Mr. Al-Kadhi says the oppisite of what you claim he says, yet you misrepresent his reply, a decievement.

Mr. Al-Kadhi shows that the Qur'an gives the Prophet Muhammad the right to go into detail about issues such as the above in which he does, yet you denie that Prophet Muhammad is allowed to do that

"... And if you should differ in anything among yourselves then refer it to Allah and His messenger if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. That is better for you and best in interpretation" Al-Nissa(4):59

Is it a contradiction because the Qur'an does not go into detail about every single duaghter/son combination that there could possibly be? No, because those many many different combinations are left to the Hadith. If you want to make up a combination, then put it up against the Hadith and you'll get your preciece answer, because the Qur'an is Revealing Miracles rather then counting every posible family combination.

Now that your here, I can ask you directly, what is your grudge that the Qur'an gives widows inheratance while the Bible clearly says they get nothing?

Jochen;
I not only link to him, I discuss and respond to Al-Kadhi's explanations.

Mohamed:
It is your discussing that is the obvious decievement, you take only a part of his response and twist it to confirm your decievement, why not respond to his full response, because you know and I know the Truth.

Jochen:
To sad that you are not willing to look up what deception means.

Mohamed:
I did and it means hiding Truth which I and others have shown you done on numourous occasions

http://debate.org.uk/weboard/debate/messages/976.html

Just the very first few words of your site is a decievement, where in your site do you say that this is the _Translation_of the_Qur'an_? The Bible is accepted in English and all sorts of languages but you know that the Qur'an is only accepted in Arabic, but you hide that fact, a decievement. The Bible is allowed to be diluted through all languages as the word of God simply because the original in Hebrew is gone, while the Qur'an stays pure in Arabic.

Many before you were brave enough to challenge the Authenticity of the Qur'an in Arabic, why don't you take on that same challenge, you obviously have alot of free time on your hands, challenge the Qur'an in Arabic, or do you prefer to nit pick on transltions?

Jochen;
I wonder how many Muslim sites give the right to reply to their statements about the Bible?

Mohamed:
I have seen a few, I often link to your site, though the difference between us is that when I have a question, what appears to me as a "tension" :-) I do not reuse it once I have been answered, yet your whole site is proof of you reuse and reuse, as if you don't want to accept the Truth.

For example: I have a few times given your responses and many other Christian sites who respond and have asked the reader to go through the sites and find a answer that I can not find myself:

http://www.jude3.org/resources/JPH_BUTWT_frame.html: http://users.why.net/think/apologia/stereo.htm:
http://www.Christian-thinktank.com/ordorise.html: http://www.answering-islam.org/Bible/Contra/resurrect.html

Was the tomb open when they arrived? Matthew 28:2 "No" Mark 16:4 "Yes" Luke 24:2 "Yes" John 20:1 "Yes"

and

Did Jesus stay on earth for a while? Mark: "No" (16:19) Compare 16:14 with John 20:19 to show that this was "all done on Sunday" Luke: "No" (24:50-52) "It all happened on Sunday" John: Yes, at least eight days (20:26, 21:1-22) Acts: "Yes, at least forty days" (1:3)

I have had many tensions, once answered, I do not reuse them as you do, that is the difference between us, if I am wrong or misunderstood, I admit it, your whole site is testomony that you do not accept Truth, you reuse the same ones that have been answered as if your showing off how you can misrepresent the translation. I can put my hands over my eyes and say "look, I have no eyes", but then I would be like you, hiding my eyes.

Peace and Blessings,
Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed

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Comments:
: Dear Brother Jochen,
: I am honored by your response,
: I will start where you do;

: Jochen;
: Isn't it great? The fact that I quote Al-Kadhi's response on my pages
: and have a link to his larger response is now interpreted as "deliberate deception"?

: Mohamed:
: There is no reason to get all upset, kindly allow me to explain :-)

: You take his response and say; 'Thank you Mr. Al-Kadhi for confirming exactly what I claimed in my article. There are cases in which the shares assigned by the Qur'an overshoot the available estate'

: That is "hideing the Truth about his response" a deciption. Mr Al-Kadhi clearly explained that the Qur'an does not go into detail about "if a man had 17 sons and 3 daughters, how do you divide the property" Mr. Al-Kadhi explained that those details are in the Hadith(Sayings of the Prophet).

: The Qur'an is precise and to the point, you try to add amounts of daughters and then say it won't add up, and then say Mr. Al-Kadhi confirms this is a out right lie.

: Mr. Al-Kadhi says the oppisite of what you claim he says, yet you misrepresent his reply, a decievement.

: Mr. Al-Kadhi shows that the Qur'an gives the Prophet Muhammad the right to go into detail about issues such as the above in which he does, yet you denie that Prophet Muhammad is allowed to do that

: "... And if you should differ in anything among yourselves then refer it to Allah and His messenger if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. That is better for you and best in interpretation" Al-Nissa(4):59

: Is it a contradiction because the Qur'an does not go into detail about every single duaghter/son combination that there could possibly be? No, because those many many different combinations are left to the Hadith. If you want to make up a combination, then put it up against the Hadith and you'll get your preciece answer, because the Qur'an is Revealing Miracles rather then counting every posible family combination.

: Now that your here, I can ask you directly, what is your grudge that the Qur'an gives widows inheratance while the Bible clearly says they get nothing?

: Jochen;
: I not only link to him, I discuss and respond to Al-Kadhi's explanations.

: Mohamed:
: It is your discussing that is the obvious decievement, you take only a part of his response and twist it to confirm your decievement, why not respond to his full response, because you know and I know the Truth.

: Jochen:
: To sad that you are not willing to look up what deception means.

: Mohamed:
: I did and it means hiding Truth which I and others have shown you done on numourous occasions

: http://debate.org.uk/weboard/debate/messages/976.html

: Just the very first few words of your site is a decievement, where in your site do you say that this is the _Translation_of the_Qur'an_? The Bible is accepted in English and all sorts of languages but you know that the Qur'an is only accepted in Arabic, but you hide that fact, a decievement. The Bible is allowed to be diluted through all languages as the word of God simply because the original in Hebrew is gone, while the Qur'an stays pure in Arabic.

: Many before you were brave enough to challenge the Authenticity of the Qur'an in Arabic, why don't you take on that same challenge, you obviously have alot of free time on your hands, challenge the Qur'an in Arabic, or do you prefer to nit pick on transltions?

: Jochen;
: I wonder how many Muslim sites give the right to reply to their statements about the Bible?

: Mohamed:
: I have seen a few, I often link to your site, though the difference between us is that when I have a question, what appears to me as a "tension" :-) I do not reuse it once I have been answered, yet your whole site is proof of you reuse and reuse, as if you don't want to accept the Truth.

: For example: I have a few times given your responses and many other Christian sites who respond and have asked the reader to go through the sites and find a answer that I can not find myself:

:
: http://www.jude3.org/resources/JPH_BUTWT_frame.html: http://users.why.net/think/apologia/stereo.htm:
: http://www.Christian-thinktank.com/ordorise.html: http://www.answering-islam.org/Bible/Contra/resurrect.html

: Was the tomb open when they arrived? Matthew 28:2 "No" Mark 16:4 "Yes" Luke 24:2 "Yes" John 20:1 "Yes"

: and

: Did Jesus stay on earth for a while? Mark: "No" (16:19) Compare 16:14 with John 20:19 to show that this was "all done on Sunday" Luke: "No" (24:50-52) "It all happened on Sunday" John: Yes, at least eight days (20:26, 21:1-22) Acts: "Yes, at least forty days" (1:3)

: I have had many tensions, once answered, I do not reuse them as you do, that is the difference between us, if I am wrong or misunderstood, I admit it, your whole site is testomony that you do not accept Truth, you reuse the same ones that have been answered as if your showing off how you can misrepresent the translation. I can put my hands over my eyes and say "look, I have no eyes", but then I would be like you, hiding my eyes.

: Peace and Blessings,
: Your Brother in Islam: Mohamed

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